INMG Series - Wildcat Valley April 29

[jwfuhrman]

Come out and join us for Wildcat Valley MultiGun match Sunday, 4-29-2012 for the next match in the Indiana MultiGun Series. It will be a fun and challenging test of your rifle, handgun, and shotgun skills. We are planning on 6 courses of fire.

MATCH DATE: Sunday April 29, 2012
Registration: 9:00AM
Shooters' Meeting: 10:15 AM
Match starts immediately following shooters' meeting
RULES: Indiana MultiGun Rules
Please see our website, IndianaMultiGun.com for more info.
MATCH FEE: $25 Adult, $15 for juniors with paid adult. Half off for ROs. Half off for Saturday Set Up Crew.

SETUP - TO BE ANNOUNCED

Approximate Round Count:

100 Rifle
100 Pistol
100 Birdshot
5 slugs

I recommend that you bring double the numbers above for the ammo that you bring to the match. You can always take ammo back home with you, but running out at the match is a bummer!

If you shot one of our Multigun matches before, you can expect this match’s difficulty level to be similar. If haven’t shot one of our Multigun matches, you may find this match to be somewhat more demanding than your typical USPSA or IDPA club pistol match— expect some shots to be a bit more technically demanding, and some shooting positions to be a bit more awkward physically.

It will benefit you to know the point of impact (POI) of all 3 of your guns, from contact distance out to approximately 200 yards. Half-scale paper targets will be used for rifle, Fuhrman Precision Services, Inc Signal Targets will be used for long range(8in AR500 plate).

Please see our website, IndianaMultiGun.com for more info.

NOTE: that all matches at AtlantaCC and Wildcat Valley are conducted under a COLD RANGE as per USPSA rules. All guns must be either holstered (or bagged) at all times, unloaded, hammer down, with no magazine inserted. Long guns should remain bagged, or in a rack with an open action, and/or an "empty chamber indicator" (flag) in place. It is the shooter's responsibility to ensure that the muzzle of any gun is never pointed in an unsafe direction. You may only handle your gun only at the direction of the range officer (RO), or in the designated "safe areas." You may not handle any ammunition or loaded magazines in the safe areas. Violation of these or any other safety rules shall result in a match disqualification.

 

[jwfuhrman]

From Tony to the mailing list (groups.google.com/group/INMG)

100/100/100 and 5 slugs

Also just sent out

Due to some last minute match rescheduling at the club, we have to lose a bay (our LR Rifle bay) for our match day. A match that was scheduled for Saturday rescheduled for Sunday. *
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This leaves us with 5 stages, and a fully utilized range on match day, so I most likely will not be able to add one.
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The 5 stages we have left are good, but the match will be a bit unbalanced, since my overall plan is void.
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Given the fact that we will only have 5 stages, I am going to cut off registration at 75, assuming of course that we have a good turnout. That will still put us at 15 person squads, and a long match. I see no other alternative, but I am open to any suggestions. Valid ones are better. Good suggestions I may even use.

 

[jaschutz79]

Yeah that kinda sucks. Especially since i just got my JP and spent all week breaking it in and sighting for 200yds. Oh well, got my 25, 50, 100 dialed in too. I'm sure it will still be a great match.

 

[birdo]

Don't worry, I can make you miss at 25 yds just as easily as I can at 200.

 

[birdo]

Just a clarification on the cutoff thing. Of course I am not going to turn away a shooter who drives long distances to attend the match. And I am not going to turn anyone away that is registered in the points series.

At some point you do need to cap event participation, or else the numbers become a problem for everyone. I had 6 stages planned out in order to give us some buffer. I would have had 7 planned if the bays were available, but this month we have a PP class using a bay. Unfortunately, losing an additional bay does throw a monkey wrench into things. We will deal with it, as always, not a big problem. If we all spend a little longer on the range Sunday, so be it.

 

[jve153]

Thank you guys for putting on this event. Had an absolute blast. Can't wait for the next one.

 

[ejevans45]

Great match today. very challenging stages.

 

[jwfuhrman]

Thanks to everyone who came out today. We apologize for some of the massive delays, and not really getting to shoot "long range", it won't be an issue again hopefully.

See everyone at Atlanta in a few weeks! I'm planning some fun stuff. It will be my dads first time shooting an action shooting competition, so I'm hoping it's a good day!

 

[birdo]

Absolutely, I hope that everyone had a great time. We truly appreciate the turnout, it is great to see these numbers at the club multigun level.

We hopefully will not have those kinds of delays again, once we have the correct number of stages and a better flow.

 

[SERVED_USMC]

Absolutely, I hope that everyone had a great time. We truly appreciate the turnout, it is great to see these numbers at the club multigun level.

We hopefully will not have those kinds of delays again, once we have the correct number of stages and a better flow.

Great match today, Tony. I was glad to see a decent turnout, and a few new shooters. Thanks to everyone on my squad for making it a fun day! Also, I cant remember the gentlemans name, but he spent all day keeping scores/times in order and never fired a shot. A big thank you to him for helping out Squad 2!

http://youtu.be/aOLWJrRi4pQ

 

[jve153]

the only thing i really did not like about the match was the par time. on a lot of stages, a lot of guys were hitting par and not getting to shoot the whole stage. even some of the guys that looked like they were "regulars" were getting tapped. could be (read: is)very discouraging to new shooters. with that being my biggest problem with the event, i would have to say i still had a great time and will return in may, whether or not there is a par time (but i will still complain about it)
JV

 

[SERVED_USMC]

the only thing i really did not like about the match was the par time. on a lot of stages, a lot of guys were hitting par and not getting to shoot the whole stage. even some of the guys that looked like they were "regulars" were getting tapped. could be (read: is)very discouraging to new shooters. with that being my biggest problem with the event, i would have to say i still had a great time and will return in may, whether or not there is a par time (but i will still complain about it)
JV

There has to he a point where you cut a guy off. When you have a large number of shooters, you have to try end the match at a reasonable time. Even yesterday with the par times, it was still a very long day.

I understand the issue of new shooters not getting to shoot it all, but if there are equipment issues, or the guys sights arent correct, you can give them 500 seconds and they still wouldn't complete the stage. Gun malfunctions seemed to be a common theme for guys hitting par time yesterday.

 

[mertbl]

I hate plate racks. I would have hit par time if i didnt use all my ammo on it.

 

[SERVED_USMC]

I hate plate racks. I would have hit par time if i didnt use all my ammo on it.

That's no joke...stupid plates.

 

[RePete68]

I wasted alot of time on that plate rack & the rifle clays. I know what I'm gonna practice! Thank you to the Indiana Multi Gun Team for putting on another great match. See ya'll in a couple weeks.
http://youtu.be/wK_lXdyRVhg

 

[Hogwylde]

the only thing i really did not like about the match was the par time. on a lot of stages, a lot of guys were hitting par and not getting to shoot the whole stage. even some of the guys that looked like they were "regulars" were getting tapped. could be (read: is)very discouraging to new shooters. with that being my biggest problem with the event, i would have to say i still had a great time and will return in may, whether or not there is a par time (but i will still complain about it)
JV

I discussed this issue with Tony during the match. I mentioned that probably 50% or more of the shooters were getting cut short by the par times and that they might want to consider upping it to 120 or 180 seconds. He thought that looking at the issue was a good idea and after they calculate all the scores and see how things fell out, that they would probably alter the par times to only have the bottom 3rd hitting par times in the future.

 

[SERVED_USMC]

I discussed this issue with Tony during the match. I mentioned that probably 50% or more of the shooters were getting cut short by the par times and that they might want to consider upping it to 120 or 180 seconds. He thought that looking at the issue was a good idea and after they calculate all the scores and see how things fell out, that they would probably alter the par times to only have the bottom 3rd hitting par times in the future.

Understood. However, we (as a group) should keep in mind that even with a more lenient par time, it does not mean that the shooter will finish the stage. At what point do you say that the par time that has been allotted is sufficient to finish the stage.

 

[GarandMD]

This was a good match. I personally had a great time but.......many left frustrated and may not return because of the par time. Contrary to served_umc's observation, malfunctions were not the primary reason for hitting par time in my squad. At a match there are many levels of experience, ability and equipment. Most of us welcome and encourage new shooters to "bring what you have and shoot" yet we set limits that don't really let them participate fully. To many, this was only a "two gun" match because they never got the chance to draw their pistol at the end of the longer stages.

I understand setting some limits because of the long day but perhaps the 100sec was too short for the two longer stages. 100sec may have been appropriate for the other three stages. Perhaps par time should vary depending on the difficulty of the stage. Perhaps there should be a 30second warning. I admit that I do not know a specific answer. However, a match should be challenging to a high ability shooter but allow a new shooter to have some success in order to promote further participation and improvement; unless, this is to become an elitist endeavor.

Please do not mistake this as a condemnation of Indiana Multigun, Tony, Ryan or John. They are to be applauded for what they have done for multigun and I strongly support them. Both matches this year have been good but also have been learning experiences in the evolution of Indiana Multigun.

 

[rhino]

My suggestions may not be popular, but I'm gathering that attendance at multi-gun matches is at or past what the match can accommodate and finish at a reasonable time.

If that's the case, there are some things that can help. First is scaling back the number of stages and the complexity of the stages. Much time is lost during walkthroughs, resetting elaborate target arrays, etc. I know those six or seven monster stages are really fun to shoot, but at what cost?

Another thing to consider is to put a cap on the number of participants. To go along with that, you'd need to take reservations (probably with deposits). That would mean more work outside of the match, but it would definitely make the match itself go more smoothly.

When I was helping run the 3-gun and multi-gun matches at AtlantaCC, the time element is one of the reason why we tried to keep things as simple as possible and still afford a fun and reasonable shooting challenge. I tried to include one multi-gun stage, then the rest were for individual guns. Just because it's called multi-gun doesn't mean that each and every course of fire has to include all three weapons. That may not be what people want, but it can help with managing a match.

 

[jve153]

Understood. However, we (as a group) should keep in mind that even with a more lenient par time, it does not mean that the shooter will finish the stage. At what point do you say that the par time that has been allotted is sufficient to finish the stage.

trial and error. i think the idea is not a bad one, but, malfuntions and <33% accuracy aside, someone who is new and is hitting one out of 3 shots should be able to complete a stage (1/3 being the harder rifle shots, pistol poppers, plates etc. pretty much everyone i have seen has been about 90% or better with their shotguns)
im new to this sport, and i think it is a lot of fun, but there could definately be some tweaking to make it better. what is the answer? i dont know, but i can give my input, and those that know better (those that arent there to say f the new guys you seem to come across) can take it for what it is worth along with everyone else's opinions.
the new guys are the future of your sport. the top guys with the sponsors need the new guys to buy things from the sponsors to keep the sponsors happy. the ranges need the income and the events need to attendance to continue to grow and not just fade away. run the newbies off, and sport dies, simple as that.