Cops Taking Your Gun.

[buckstopshere]

Yea i get what your saying. I start police academy in January so I'm kinda asking for both sides.

I think the person you're quoting is giving you some horrible advice. There are already a couple threads right now concerning Fort Wayne LEOs and their misunderstanding of the law relating to OC.

Sounds like the city, the department, and it's citizens need an advocate for personal rights which you could be as a new face in the department.

I'm not an LEO but following this logic, if I see someone openly carrying a firearm, I should immediately ask them to hand it over for my own safety while I unload their magazine and make a determination if they're a threat or not. I mean, my safety is just as important as officer safety.

 

[THard6]

I think the person you're quoting is giving you some horrible advice. There are already a couple threads right now concerning Fort Wayne LEOs and their misunderstanding of the law relating to OC.

Sounds like the city, the department, and it's citizens need an advocate for personal rights which you could be as a new face in the department.

I'm not an LEO but following this logic, if I see someone openly carrying a firearm, I should immediately ask them to hand it over for my own safety while I unload their magazine and make a determination if they're a threat or not. I mean, my safety is just as important as officer safety.

seems that your personal openion is getting you far.. maybe if you were a police officer for a month and head to put up with some of the SH** that they have to.. you'd appreciate them being cautious.
i've been pulled over several times. both on a motorcycle, and in the truck. i have never once had my gun taken from me or checked.
but i'm sure if i was being an arrogant prick they would probably be more suspicious and try to dig deeper into my business. it's just how it goes. no you may not agree and it may not be right. but it is what it is..

 

[Booya]

put yourself in the officers shoes. end of story i'd take it from you and then let you load it when i leave. don't get mad if i empty your clip. and also with the number of stolen guns they may have just been running it to make sure it's clean.. and you can complain all you want.. just hope you don't live in that county. you might find yourself getting pulled over often. and if you have nothing "wrong" then why not let the officer check it out....

drive through johnson county and smile at a police officer.. he'll probably pull you over because you look suspicious.. who cares.. it's life. in my openion officers should pull over more people than they do.
and no OC'ing isn't a crime. but IF YOU HAVEN'T noticed this far in life it draws attention.. DUH?!

no? how many "drive by knife stabbings" do you hear about?

i guess it's just my openion and having served i see things a little different than some.

CONGRATS AND GOODLUCK!

nothing wrong with asking, every officer has a way of doing 'his business'
like it or not.. he's the one with a badge..
best of luck sent your way, be safe..

Is this a joke right now? Are you pulling everyone's leg? I'm confused.

If I'm pulled over/stopped on the street/pulled out of a restaurant... Etc and asked to disarm or be disarmed I'm going to say no. Every time. You nor any other officer has any right to disarm me or inspect my weapon or "run the numbers". During our interaction we're both at our safest with everyone's weapon tucked nicely in it's holster.

If you must continue to illegally disarm me and seize my property then there will be consequences. I won't resist, but there will be a significant amount of other officers on scene (including a supervisor) and I will take it straight to the CLEO.

This actually happened to me once during a traffic stop. Officer asked for my weapon, I informed him that it'd be best if neither of us touched it, he agreed and that was that.

**edit** Just saw your last post above mine. I'm very polite/respectful with all officers as long as they are with me. Once their attitude changes so does mine.

 

[Irishcs05]

Open carrying is a crime...

So is carrying concealed.

Positive defense against being charged, however, is possession of a valid IN LTCH (or another state's license/permit)

But according to case law, once a valid IN LTCH is provided, then all further inquiry into the handgun/s is to cease.

-J-

Do you have a reference to law/case law that says open carrying is probable cause for a stop? (I know most states it isn't, but don't know specifically about Indiana.)

 

[Jakob]

... and if you have nothing "wrong" then why not let the officer check it out....

Sounds like the last words of many germans before being hauled off in trains.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

W@hat is the source, and back-up, for tis brlirf?

Is it covered and stated in O.C., or any Case Law? Please back it up. Thanks.

Why I do not consent to any search or seizure of myself or my property. He can ask you for your LTCH and you must produce it. Once you have, all questions about said firearm are supposed to end. Am I being detained? Am I free to go? Silence.

 

[AndersonIN]

put yourself in the officers shoes. end of story i'd take it from you and then let you load it when i leave. don't get mad if i empty your clip. and also with the number of stolen guns they may have just been running it to make sure it's clean.. and you can complain all you want.. just hope you don't live in that county. you might find yourself getting pulled over often. and if you have nothing "wrong" then why not let the officer check it out....

Look at myside.........I fear Leos. Shouldn't he also remove his weapon and unload it? Also I'm sure he's found stolen golf clubs before.......maybe he should run to a golf course and check all of those out also!

And go ahead and line up in that cattle car over there.....if you haven't done anything wrong it'll be OK.

Ain't gonna happen!

 

[THard6]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

 

[Tripp11]

i never once said that's what the officer should pull you over for, or if they should do it EVERYTIME.. but if you reeport your car stole. they will nearly stop every cer that fits the description in that area. now if someone calls and says i've had my house broken into and my firearms are missing..well put two and two together.. once again.. you don't know what he's dealing with nor does he have to tell you. put yourself in his shoes. not trying to 'fight' just my

Did you not suggest that a LEO should approach anyone OC'ing and stop them? Then when stopping said person, the LEO should disarm the person, unload the gun, and then run the numbers to see if the firearm is stolen. Right? After all the gun may be stolen, right?

My example used vehicles instead of guns. According to your way of thinking, LEO's should stop vehicles solely to see if the vehicle is stolen. After all, you want LEO's to stop persons OCing a handgun to see if the handgun is stolen.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[THard6]

Did you not suggest that a LEO should approach anyone OC'ing and stop them? Then when stopping said person, the LEO should disarm the person, unload the gun, and then run the numbers to see if the firearm is stolen. Right? After all the gun may be stolen, right?

My example used vehicles instead of guns. According to your way of thinking, LEO's should stop vehicles solely to see if the vehicle is stolen. After all, you want LEO's to stop persons OCing a handgun to see if the handgun is stolen.

no.. that's how you make it out to sound. i was just giving you an example of what i can do.. and you'd just have to get over it.

 

[Tripp11]

drive through johnson county and smile at a police officer.. he'll probably pull you over because you look suspicious.. who cares.. it's life. in my openion officers should pull over more people than they do.
and no OC'ing isn't a crime. but IF YOU HAVEN'T noticed this far in life it draws attention.. DUH?!

Apparently the LEO's in Johnson County don't have anything more important to do.

I'm telling you...the LEO's I know personally are overworked and they don't have time to walk up to an OC'er and ask to see their papers. They are too busy responding to REAL runs their entire shift.

 

[AndersonIN]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

Gee sound to me like you are one of those officers that over stretch there powers just a bit to compensate for something! Bordering on JBT. Not calling you one just kinda fits the above description don't ya think? Thought for sure we still live in America............voting for Obama are ya?

 

[Rookie]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

Sure, keep going. You're painting a real nice picture of yourself.

 

[Booya]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

no.. that's how you make it out to sound. i was just giving you an example of what i can do.. and you'd just have to get over it.

Is this not you saying, "I can do whatever I want. I'll break the law and infringe on your rights to enforce my will.".

Virtually everything you're saying is just false. You cannot simply stop someone for OC (legally). Then when you do you cannot simply take their property (legally).

End of story.

 

[THard6]

Look at myside.........I fear Leos. Shouldn't he also remove his weapon and unload it? Also I'm sure he's found stolen golf clubs before.......maybe he should run to a golf course and check all of those out also!

And go ahead and line up in that cattle car over there.....if you haven't done anything wrong it'll be OK.

Ain't gonna happen!

i'm glad you fear them.. that's probably what some of them are hoping for!

 

[TaunTaun]

Do LEO's initiate traffic stops just to run the VINs and see if the cars are stolen?

for some reason i think vehicles and firearms are much different..

Yeah, very much different. More people killed by an object not designed to kill if operated properly vs. an object designed to kill things if it is operated improperly or properly both....



I DEMAND WE BAN MOPEDS, HAMMERS, PRIUS's, AND ANY VEHICLE FROM A STATE WITH NO FAULT INSURANCE!

 

[Tripp11]

no.. that's how you make it out to sound. i was just giving you an example of what i can do.. and you'd just have to get over it.

Well, THAT certainly makes me feel all warm and fuzzy about you being a public servant. After all, all the LEO's that I know give me daily examples of what they can DO and that I will just have to get over it.

You wouldn't happen to be an umpire in your spare time, would you?

 

[Rookie]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

Cliffs notes.

Don't you dare let me think you're guilty of contempt of cop. I am the law, and I will make your life suck.

To the other officers on this board. Right here is a classic example of why cop bashing gets out of hand. You have one person (claiming to be a cop), stating he would make life living hell if he doesn't like your attitude. Who is going to stand up to him?

 

[THard6]

NOT AT ALL, meet me and you'd understand. i'm simply letting you know we all have our openions and everyone can flex a law. this is where cooperation and disaster come into hand. i am speaking as for several, just made me look like the bad guy. but it's fine, it's just a different way for everyone to see what you're up against.