SouthBend common council

[jedi]

county city bldg = no carry ? I plan on going unless something else comes up.

Is there a jail or court house in that bldg?
Also I think the new law this year has something about not being able to carry to meetings???

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

county city bldg = no carry ? I plan on going unless something else comes up.

The C/C building has no courthouse but they won't let you carry because the courthouse across the street is connected to the C/C building...by a tunnel...under the street.

Yea, I know...

ETA: I heard that they use one of the rooms in the C/C building as a court to circumvent the law.

 

[daddymikey1975]

Good to know

I'll just leave it in the car then.. Still plan on going and one of my co workers plans to attend as well.

(We gonna have an OC at Wal Mart day to support them and buy up all their ammo?? )

ETA:.. while I don't condone what Wal Mart does to a local (mom and pop) economy, I still do not like the gubbermint stepping on a company's toes and dictating how it can conduct it's legal business.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Good to know

I'll just leave it in the car then.. Still plan on going and one of my co workers plans to attend as well.

(We gonna have an OC at Wal Mart day to support them and buy up all their ammo?? )

ETA:.. while I don't condone what Wal Mart does to a local (mom and pop) economy, I still do not like the gubbermint stepping on a company's toes and dictating how it can conduct it's legal business.

Be sure to post the OC day. I'm in.

 

[Jack Burton]

Here's a follow up to the issue... and the idiots are growing even more idiotic as time goes by...

Common council taking action against Wal-Mart's recent gun sale violations | ABC57 | South Bend IN News, Weather and Sports | Top Stories

 

[rockhopper46038]

Absolutely right. The [STRIKE]bean counters[/STRIKE] Liberals took over the newsrooms in the '80's. Quality reporting was out, in favor of getting the [STRIKE]product out[/STRIKE] DNC message out as cheaply as possible. [STRIKE]Veteran[/STRIKE] Non-biased reporters replaced with [STRIKE]new grads or interns[/STRIKE] Left-wing ideologues. The trend now is to outsourcing the reporting and ad production overseas.

FIFY.

 

[daddymikey1975]

Here's a follow up to the issue... and the idiots are growing even more idiotic as time goes by...

Common council taking action against Wal-Mart's recent gun sale violations | ABC57 | South Bend IN News, Weather and Sports | Top Stories

I posted a nice response but it's still "in moderation"... didn't think to copy/paste before I hit submit.

hopefully they won't 'delete' it.. it was too long to re-type here LOL

 

[daddymikey1975]

ok, re-posted.. looks like they didn't allow my first one...

"with a special muzzle designed to shoot off door locks"

My 9mm pistol can shoot off door locks. These evil black scary guns are locked in a case along with much of their ammunition. It's pathetic that a retailer has their hands tied and is being told what it can and cannot sell. They hold a FFL (Federal Firearm's License) and are allowed to sell GUNS. Anyone wishing to purchase any of their guns is subjected to a FEDERAL background check prior to the purchase being completed. I can effect more carnage with kitchen knives and a hammer than with a box of ".223 ammunition".. What if I pay a kid to steal me a hammer, screwdriver and set of kitchen knives ?? These can all go through a wall or window. If WalMart is allowed to sell toilet bowl cleaner (hydrochloric acid), hammers, screwdrivers, kitchen knives, and razor blades, surely they must be a nuisance and contributing to a dangerous community, right ? Midwest Gun Exchange has CASES of ammunition laying on the floor for someone to steal if they want, Dunham's has boxes and BOXES of ammo out in the open to steal as well.

When is the local news going to quit fearmongering and report actual factual news ??

Maybe lots of concerned legal, responsible gun owners can get together at WalMart and purchase all of their "scary black guns and ammo" so the sheep have nothing to be afraid of ??

 

[SirRealism]

I posted a nice response but it's still "in moderation"... didn't think to copy/paste before I hit submit.

hopefully they won't 'delete' it.. it was too long to re-type here LOL

I don't think they allow any comments. After waiting a couple days to see mine, I perused a bunch of other stories, and there were 0 comments on every story.

 

[daddymikey1975]

I don't think they allow any comments. After waiting a couple days to see mine, I perused a bunch of other stories, and there were 0 comments on every story.

EXCLUSIVE: Community scrutinizes Wal-Mart gun sales | ABC57 | South Bend IN News, Weather and Sports | Top Stories

Someone snuck one in under the radar on that one

Still sux.. it's how they censor the truth

 

[9mmfan]

The common council just wants point the public rage away from the violence in South Bend. Just smoke and mirrors.
It is just amazing. Those so called tactical rifles are available from many different outlets in Mishawaka with no city police officers being shot 'through' their vest.

 

[SirRealism]

EXCLUSIVE: Community scrutinizes Wal-Mart gun sales | ABC57 | South Bend IN News, Weather and Sports | Top Stories

Someone snuck one in under the radar on that one

Still sux.. it's how they censor the truth

Given the fact that the comment they allowed took them to task, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're just understaffed.

 

[KG1]

I'm not from that area but has the local media or the council submitted any actual evidence (not anecdotal, i.e, alleged offers to pay yoots $ to steal ammunition) or reported rampant thefts of firearms and ammunition or any proof of sales to un-vetted felons without background checks from not only Walmart but other FFL retailers or have they even provided instances of door locks being shot off and LEOs being shot through their vests?

It's fairly obvious this is just more ill-informed rhetoric designed to whip the even more ill-informed into a frenzy by using the same tired mantra (that never comes to fruition) of "There will be blood flowing in the streets and mayhem" if Walmart is allowed to sell those evil things.

 

[Rey B]

After all no one can drive 25 minutes south to the Plymouth store and buy all the Colt 6920s, Sig 5.56, and assorted EEVIL Shotguns. Oh wait they can. So a business that brings money to South Bend loses it to one a little further away? Gee if my face makes me mad should I cut off my nose?

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

South Bend is a hopeless case. Too many idiots that have elected Chicago style dem thugs for over 4 decades. It's a turd of a city.

 

[Hammerhead]

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the SB common council making rules on how WM can sell firearms a violation of IC 35-47-11.1-2 and -4(4)?

 

[daddymikey1975]

I'm not from that area but has the local media or the council submitted any actual evidence (not anecdotal, i.e, alleged offers to pay yoots $ to steal ammunition) or reported rampant thefts of firearms and ammunition or any proof of sales to un-vetted felons without background checks from not only Walmart but other FFL retailers or have they even provided instances of door locks being shot off and LEOs being shot through their vests?

It's fairly obvious this is just more ill-informed rhetoric designed to whip the even more ill-informed into a frenzy by using the same tired mantra (that never comes to fruition) of "There will be blood flowing in the streets and mayhem" if Walmart is allowed to sell those evil things.

That's a good point. I'll be certain to ask them to provide some evidence of their claims.

After all no one can drive 25 minutes south to the Plymouth store and buy all the Colt 6920s, Sig 5.56, and assorted EEVIL Shotguns. Oh wait they can. So a business that brings money to South Bend loses it to one a little further away? Gee if my face makes me mad should I cut off my nose?

Great point. Worth bringing up as well

I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the SB common council making rules on how WM can sell firearms a violation of IC 35-47-11.1-2 and -4(4)?

I was wondering about this as well but didn't have time to research it yesterday. I'll look into this as well and make sure to point this out tomorrow.

 

[daddymikey1975]

ETA:

I composed the following email to myself with pointers and topics that I would like to bring up to them. Anyone see anything that should be added or omitted? Changes?

1. Does the media or common council have and actual factual evidence of the police department operating a sting operation wherein they pay youngsters to steal ammunition from Wal Mart ?

2. Has Wal Mart reported rampant thefts of firearms of ammunition ?

3. Does the Common Council have evidence that WalMart is selling firearms or ammunition to un-vetted felons without performing background checks?

4. Can the common council provide instances of door locks being shot off and LEO's being shot through their vests ?

Side Note---

It's not like South Bend citizens can't drive 25 minutes south to Plymouth and purchase all sorts of evil black guns, or another FFL holder in the area.

Further, and as a last point,

By the City of South Bend (or the common council) attempting to force WalMart into an 'agreement' that they will not sell select firearms in their stores, and attempting to force WalMart to follow South Bend's 'rules' for locking up ammunition and firearms a certain way, this violates IC 35-47-11.1-2 and IC 35-47-11.1-4(4).

Section -2 reads as follows:

IC 35-47-11.1-2
Political subdivision regulation of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories prohibited
Sec. 2. Except as provided in section 4 of this chapter, a political subdivision may not regulate:
(1) firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories;
(2) the ownership, possession, carrying, transportation, registration, transfer, and storage of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories; and
(3) commerce in and taxation of firearms, firearm ammunition, and firearm accessories.
As added by P.L.152-2011, SEC.4.

Further, section -4(4) states the following:

IC 35-47-11.1-4
Not prohibited by chapter
Sec. 4. This chapter may not be construed to prevent any of the following:
(4) The enactment or enforcement of generally applicable zoning or business ordinances that apply to firearms businesses to the same degree as other similar businesses. However, a provision of an ordinance that is designed or enforced to effectively restrict or prohibit the sale, purchase, transfer, manufacture, or display of firearms, ammunition, or firearm accessories that is otherwise lawful under the laws of this state is void. A unit (as defined in IC 36-1-2-23) may not use the unit's planning and zoning powers under IC 36-7-4 to prohibit the sale of firearms within a prescribed distance of any other type of commercial property or of school property or other educational property.

As far as I can tell, in my opinion, and I'm not a lawyer, The City of South Bend (and/or the common council) is violating the above noted laws of the State of Indiana. WalMart (legally in the State of Indiana) is allowed to sell, store, and display any firearms and/or ammunition that it deems proper based on it's own decisions as to what's best for itself.

 

[cobber]

IC 35-47-11.1-2
Political subdivision regulation of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories prohibited
Sec. 2. Except as provided in section 4 of this chapter, a political subdivision may not regulate:
(1) firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories;
(2) the ownership, possession, carrying, transportation, registration, transfer, and storage of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories; and
(3) commerce in and taxation of firearms, firearm ammunition, and firearm accessories.
As added by P.L.152-2011, SEC.4.

IC 35-47-11.1-4
Not prohibited by chapter
Sec. 4. This chapter may not be construed to prevent any of the following:

(4) The enactment or enforcement of generally applicable zoning or business ordinances that apply to firearms businesses to the same degree as other similar businesses. However, a provision of an ordinance that is designed or enforced to effectively restrict or prohibit the sale, purchase, transfer, manufacture, or display of firearms, ammunition, or firearm accessories that is otherwise lawful under the laws of this state is void. A unit (as defined in IC 36-1-2-23) may not use the unit's planning and zoning powers under IC 36-7-4 to prohibit the sale of firearms within a prescribed distance of any other type of commercial property or of school property or other educational property.

Sounds like SB is looking for a Guy Relford moment.

They'd better be sure their county attorney is there. WNDU is worthless.

It's a clear violation. They haven't passed a law yet, but they're trying to extort WalMart from lawful commerce by threatening same.

 

[daddymikey1975]

Cobber, they're violating all 3 subsections of section -2