When they come to take your guns

[CathyInBlue]

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? [...] The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
-Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (Chapter 1 "Arrest")

THANK YOU!

I've been looking for that quote for two days! I need to add it to my fortunes file list.

 

[mrortega]

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? [...] The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
-Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (Chapter 1 "Arrest")

I suppose if their was enough resistance there is the hope that the citizen soldiers and police would be sickened by the slaughtering of civilians and revolt and put a stop to it.

 

[wizard_of_ahs]

I cant give up something I sold to buy food for my family due to the horrible economic conditions recently.

 

[N8RV]

Good video, IMO. I guess the take-away from it is that we should all find someplace to safely stash a few, just in case. In a closet won't work, nor will the attic.

Time to put on my thinking cap ...

 

[Archer46176]

Everyone here needs to start reading. I know they are fictional books BUT Molon Labe' and Mathew Brackens Enemiesseries touches on this very subject very nicely. The James Wesley Rawles Books do a decent job as well. A nation wide door to.door confiscation wojld be impossible. It would be the gov turning your neighbors and family jnto rats before they come for anything. They will not expend resojrces on hunches when there are so many firearms owners in the US and there are so few people who will be willing to go door knocking.
No matter what many may think about standing up to the thugs physically here is what will happen #1 you will be touted as a terrorist on the media outles, #2 your family will pay for it after they lock you away or kill you and possibly them as well #3 you will be a martyr but only to those who talk big and cannot act on their thoughts. Unless something is organized in a way that it is not a stand off physically going aganst the gov will not work!
Fighting through legislation until organization can be worked out is the only way it will work. If anything leads to an exchange of fire before there is a large force organized to bucm the system whoever stands up will be crushed and smeared. They ba e far more resources than us underlings do. Just loom at Waco an Ruby Ridge for crying out loud. Those people were out there I give yoj that but they kept to themselves and they were crushed by the government mirred in the hate of many people in our nation and many of them died. The hearings after the fact did nothing to hold any of the agents at Waco accountable. The Ruby Ridge hearings did find the man who shot the mother to be at fault bjt I dont think much was done about it.
I AM NOT SAYING TO LAY DOWN AND NOT DEFEND YOURSELF OF COURSE. Defend yourself and your family at all costs but dont go looking for a fight with an entity that you CANNOT defeat without a lot of organization. Who knows a predator deone may fly over one night and your house goes up jn flames due to a gas leak. But the media fails to mention your house was total electric.
Stop romanticizing the physical fight against the governement and work to get good people in government that wont try to run our lives. At the same time set up organized groups just in case.

Personally I feel that the Freedom Group has started to organize a bit for us since they are buying up ammo and firearms manufacturers. They are either plannkng tk have a monopoly on the market or plannkng to have the capability to manufacture arms and ammunition for suppling someone...

 

[Archer46176]

Oh and for crying out loud start prepping on the down low just in case something does go down. Stock ammo for what you bave or usdd to have pay cash for it and stop buying the newest firearms that come out. Maybe start reloading or stat a reloading group so it is cheaper to get components. Dont forget a water a food source and dont say " I am going to Jim Bobs house if the shtf he has plenty of food and water". If Jim Bob is like me and yoj show up uninvited and expect tk be a mooch you will be kicked out the front gate!

 

[jgreiner]

The problem with that premise, is that once they take them, the chances of you acquiring more will be non-existent. They will have already shut down the factories, the stores. The LAST guns they will go after will be the ones in homes. So you WON'T be able to re-arm.

And wrist rockets are neat, but they are no substitute for an AR.

 

[cosermann]

... Just loom (sic) at Waco an Ruby Ridge for crying out loud. Those people were out there I give yoj (sic) that but they kept to themselves and they were crushed by the government ...

What would happen if there were a Waco or Ruby Ridge in the news every single day? What then?

 

[HeadlessRoland]

What would happen if there were a Waco or Ruby Ridge in the news every single day? What then?

The airwaves would be long dead by then.

The ********** will not be televised.

 

[Lex Concord]

I suppose if their was enough resistance there is the hope that the citizen soldiers and police would be sickened by the slaughtering of civilians and revolt and put a stop to it.

No, they would fear for their lives and hide from the "duty".

 

[BjornAlewulf]

Registration

Just a thought here... if they're thinking, before they do the all-out ban on gun ownership, they would most likely run a campaign for universal gun registration. After the registration deadline date, if you're found to have a non-registered gun, it's a federal crime. You'd have to register all your good guns so you can continue to use them. If it isn't registered, you couldn't afford to take it outside your own home to practice. Once they've terrorized the public into registration, they'll be all set to start confiscation.

 

[ocsdor]

How did that leftist propaganda video make it on our boards?

paraphrasing: "let's wait until they go door to door and take our guns before we organize a complaint party....yeah, we'll be able to stop that bad gov't then."
He sounds like a smart guy, so we should listen to him.

Here is my counter video, from former Presidential candidate Michael Badnarik.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So71C74E4CY[/ame]

 

[Light]

I feel like it's more likely that one of the two presidents will enact an assault weapons ban. I know obama wants too but it seems Romney would be just as likely. I don't think the US people would be stupid enough even in large groups to ban ALL guns.

If they do ban assault weapons I feel that they wouldn't make them illegal, maybe they would make it illegal to sell them person to person, but they would be considered property and probably be passed down though will.

I tihnk it's more likely that the government would pass the law and then institute a "buy-back" program like they did to get people to turn in old cars that had inefficient gas mileage. When you offer the whole US 3grand for an 800-1000 AR then most the guns would be sold off eventually except by people who dissagree against the ban.

The national gun registration is also a possible thing.

 

[Cpt Caveman]

I only watched to 1:42 when he said something about giving them a $100 dollar gun. Stupid.
They aren't just gonna take your word for it that what you tote to the door is your entire collection.They are gonna ransack your house with a gun sniffing dog. If its not buried they are gonna find it. Even if it is buried they may still find it.
Once they are coming door to door to steal your firearms its past time to use them to protect your right.
I own the right to keep and bear arms and I won't give them up, period.
Now I'll go read the other three pages of this post.

 

[drillsgt]

There might be a few single males and females who could throw caution to the wind, invoke the memory of the lads at the Concord bridge and offer armed resistance to a takeover bid. But for the rest of us? Who is going to take care of Mrs. Ortega while Ortega rots in a federal prison or a pine box 6' under? Who is going to take care of your young family after you're gone? A couple spectacular scenes like Waco or people being arrested and dragged off to prison for non-compliance and everyone else will fold like cards.

What happened to the resistance in England? Australia?

Most likely scenario, people are too soft now to offer any resistance, we like our comfortable lives with all our distractions.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

You guys do realize there will be mandatory gun registration before there can be an effective gun grab right? There are levels for this and they know people will try to hide them.

We are not like the Brits who willingly gave up millions of dollars worth of antique, vintage and valuable handguns without compensation.

Further: there will not be a large national "every gun" grab. They will target those with questionable pasts and use the news to smear them in the publics perception. The police and the military will feel like they are "just doing their jobs" and not stripping a law abiding citizen of his rights. It's for the common good after all.

Watch for registration legislation as well as increased ways of removing someone's 2A rights, particularly criminal disqualifiers and also mental health disqualifiers.

 

[ssblair]

Sigh it IS that time of year again, "what'll the *******s(s) do if they get another term? Sucks, that that's not just a question for tin-hatters...

Obviously, turning your home into the Alamo for a last stand won't work the 2nd time either, but neither is giving them a couple of "throw-aways". They'll WWF body-slam you and your family in handcuffs and ransack your house looking for the rest of them. After that they'll detain/interrogate you and your family separately (OK little Johnny, if you just tell us where daddy hid his guns, you can all go home...).
If you want to fight, 1st use the legislative system and courts. As long as the fascists&socialists need to keep up the appearance of respecting the rule of law & the constitution, THAT can get the job done.
This scenario really gets traction when they take that agenda to main street without the pretense of coping with a hurricane or riot--when the gov't has declared itself above the rule of law, and us beneath their jack boots.
One HUGE difference that the guy making the video missed, is that in the 1700's there already was an existing institution for that organized resistance: the militia. Yeah, we're still the militia, but then, it was the LAW that people own guns and drill in the local militia unit. People used guns regularly for subsistance hunting and pest/predator control. Everybody had guns and the only controversial about them was whether, or not ,to use them on the King's troops when he declared their rights null and void.
So, if they show up swathed in kevlar riding black helicopters, who do you band together with, without your group getting compromised--go in onesies/twosies to conduct "leaderless revolt"? It would probably have to be something like that to create a critical mass of resistance, and upset by everybody else with martial law, to even begin to turn things around. And God help us!

Watch for registration legislation as well as increased ways of removing someone's 2A rights, particularly criminal disqualifiers and also mental health disqualifiers.

This more or less echoes my thoughts. Any resistance would not stand a chance without organization, which suggests that militias are, at least part of, the answer.

I'm not going to go into theories on this medium, but I believe that "men armed with guns" are only a part of what would be necessary in response. It will also need leadership/organization, lawyers, hackers, and communications experts w/facilities. Protection of these guys would be the role of the "guys with guns and pitchforks".

Right now, the best protection is lawyers and communications to keep the unconvicted public from being co-opted by propaganda that would make liberty and freedom loving people enemies of the public, thus keeping the pot of water from getting hot enough to boil the lobster.

 

[jgreiner]

You guys do realize there will be mandatory gun registration before there can be an effective gun grab right? There are levels for this and they know people will try to hide them.

We are not like the Brits who willingly gave up millions of dollars worth of antique, vintage and valuable handguns without compensation.

Further: there will not be a large national "every gun" grab. They will target those with questionable pasts and use the news to smear them in the publics perception. The police and the military will feel like they are "just doing their jobs" and not stripping a law abiding citizen of his rights. It's for the common good after all.

Watch for registration legislation as well as increased ways of removing someone's 2A rights, particularly criminal disqualifiers and also mental health disqualifiers.

My money is on the lefties going after ammunition rather than guns. They will try to either price it out of reach, or make it impossible to acquire.

 

[drillsgt]

Watch for registration legislation as well as increased ways of removing someone's 2A rights, particularly criminal disqualifiers and also mental health disqualifiers.

I think this is the key here, criminal and mental disqualifiers. Just start lowering what constitutes the criminal threshold to own guns as well as what allows cops to seize what you have, and the mental health component and that's half the battle. It probably wouldn't take much to get most cops on board and the mental health community and public health as a whole has wanted to classify guns/gun violence within a disease model for years. You can see it starting now in the military with the suspicion that you might be suicidal etc. They started this in 2008-2009 at Ft. Benning, we lived in apartments that were paid for by the govt so they were 'govt' housing and wanted our serial numbers back then. That became a running joke and term for a gun, if we got a new gun we'd tell the CO or 1SG we got another serial number recently.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

My money is on the lefties going after ammunition rather than guns. They will try to either price it out of reach, or make it impossible to acquire.

How would they do that? Chicago is trying to pass a "violence tax" on ammunition and it is being met with opposition up there! That is the antigun stronghold of the nation and they don't know how to regulate ammo.

It is ironic since modern ammo IS the gun when you think about it, [STRIKE]yet it is only barely regulated more than a brick[/STRIKE].* That is just one way that government outsmarts itself in regulating things they should just leave the **** alone.


*Actually I picked up a brick sample for a customer the other day and it was much harder to get it than ammo. Had to give them my name, company, job number, customer name and address, FOR A BRICK!

I think this is the key here, criminal and mental disqualifiers. Just start lowering what constitutes the criminal threshold to own guns as well as what allows cops to seize what you have, and the mental health component and that's half the battle. It probably wouldn't take much to get most cops on board and the mental health community and public health as a whole has wanted to classify guns/gun violence within a disease model for years. You can see it starting now in the military with the suspicion that you might be suicidal etc. They started this in 2008-2009 at Ft. Benning, we lived in apartments that were paid for by the govt so they were 'govt' housing and wanted our serial numbers back then. That became a running joke and term for a gun, if we got a new gun we'd tell the CO or 1SG we got another serial number recently.

Someone is paying attention.

Just look how quickly the news can get people riled up when they throw words around like "crazy" or "time bomb."

The pen will ALWAYS be mightier than the sword, the media knows this and they have picked a fight with us. Stay sharp.