modernizing the 2A.

[Booya]

And this is why you and your children will have guns too! Those that would do harm to innocents will rapidly be put out of societies misery rather than becoming a burdensome prisoner at the expense of the rest of us. BTW, why should a violent felon even still be alive? Wouldn't that sort of be a requirement for release? I mean after all, they're "rehabilitated" before they are released right? Considering that, why should they not be allowed the same rights and protections of the rest of us upon their release?

You do have a point, I will be carrying, buti ont quite think my oys are old enough yet. Regarding violent felons.... I'm not sure they should be. I think some increase in punishment for iolent felons would help reduce, well, violent felons. If the committed rime allows you to serve a sentence and be released then yes ou can own a gun, but I don't think 1/2 of the felons that get out, should. Lets sve some SERIOUS tax payer dollars nd stop sending murderers to Club [STRIKE]Med[/STRIKE] Fed.

That's a whole other thread though...

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I wouldn't want to rewrite it, but I wouldn't complain if they made a new amendment to clearly state that we have a right that can't be infringed. There are too many politicians who ingnore the "shall not be infringed" part.

Our current Amendment LITERALLY says: "Shall Not be Infringed" yet they still do. What, pray tell, do you suppose is a stronger way of saying "Shall Not be Infringed" than the exact words "Shall Not be Infringed?"

 

[downzero]

Our current Amendment LITERALLY says: "Shall Not be Infringed" yet they still do. What, pray tell, do you suppose is a stronger way of saying "Shall Not be Infringed" than the exact words "Shall Not be Infringed?"

"Must not be restricted" would be my preferred drafting.

"Shall" is too wishy-washy and "infringed" to archaic.

 

[Bunnykid68]

For the purpose of making my comments easier for me, just assume I agree with everything T_Frost has to say about this subject

 

[Bunnykid68]

"Must not be restricted" would be my preferred drafting.

"Shall" is too wishy-washy and "infringed" to archaic.

But that is what it means

 

[Titanium_Frost]

You do have a point, I will be carrying, buti ont quite think my oys are old enough yet. Regarding violent felons.... I'm not sure they should be. I think some increase in punishment for iolent felons would help reduce, well, violent felons. If the committed rime allows you to serve a sentence and be released then yes ou can own a gun, but I don't think 1/2 of the felons that get out, should. Lets sve some SERIOUS tax payer dollars nd stop sending murderers to Club [STRIKE]Med[/STRIKE] Fed.

That's a whole other thread though...

I think Heinlein in Starship Troopers had the right idea. No more inmate education facilities, ie prisons. Public corporal and capital punishment.

Use pain to teach them and education to guide them and if that doesn't work, they do not belong in our society so why should society pay to keep them breathing?

 

[Sylvain]

Im glad that legal immigrants are allowed to own guns and get a licence to carry under the current laws.
Illegal immigrants and criminals dont follow the laws but legal immigrants do, they also pay taxes.
It takes years for a legal immigrant to become a citizen, in the meantime they should just stay unarmed and unable to defend their family?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

"Must not be restricted" would be my preferred drafting.

"Shall" is too wishy-washy and "infringed" to archaic.

"Shall" is in the KJV version of the Bible for a reason. It gets your attention. "Shall not Murder" has a better ring to it than "should not commit homocide."

Infringe is a much deeper word than "restrict." It means you shouldn't even get CLOSE to bearing on this right. It is the most direct and specific for a reason.

For the purpose of making my comments easier for me, just assume I agree with everything T_Frost has to say about this subject

Butt kisser...

 

[Bunnykid68]

I think Heinlein in Starship Troopers had the right idea. No more inmate education facilities, ie prisons. Public corporal and capital punishment.

Use pain to teach them and education to guide them and if that doesn't work, they do not belong in our society so why should society pay to keep them breathing?

Frost, I think this is one of the instances where your sig line could come in handy

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Im glad that legal immigrants are allowed to own guns and get a licence to carry under the current laws.
Illegal immigrants and criminals dont follow the laws but legal immigrants do, they also pay taxes.
It takes years for a legal immigrant to become a citizen, in the meantime they should just stay unarmed and unable to defend their family?

Legal immigrants and permanent residents have my highest respect and should be allowed the FULL protection of the Constitution that I enjoy as a lazy, entitled Natural.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Frost, I think this is one of the instances where your sig line could come in handy

I have a copy of Starship Troopers, it was given to me by Theweakerbrother, if you haven't read it you should take it and when you are done give it to someone else. It is a fantastic political and economic theory wrapped in a sci-fi adventure.

 

[Sylvain]

Legal immigrants and permanent residents have my highest respect and should be allowed the FULL protection of the Constitution that I enjoy as a lazy, entitled Natural.

I see many people on here who are actually not aware that a legal immigrant can buy guns at a FFL or get a LTCH in Indiana.
In some cases you can even buy guns and carry without being a permanent resident.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I see many people on here who are actually not aware that a legal immigrant can buy guns at a FFL or get a LTCH in Indiana.
In some cases you can even buy guns and carry without being a permanent resident.

Quite correct. In Indiana you can carry or possess a long gun as long as you are here legally. Permanent residency is not required.

I believe handgun possession, LTCH and buying from a dealer require permenant residency status, no?

 

[Sylvain]

Quite correct. In Indiana you can carry or possess a long gun as long as you are here legally. Permanent residency is not required.

I believe handgun possession, LTCH and buying from a dealer require permenant residency status, no?

You can own a handgun but not carry without being a permanent resident with a LTCH.
No law that says you cant own a handgun unless you are a felon.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

You can own a handgun but not carry without being a permanent resident with a LTCH.
No law that says you cant own a handgun unless you are a felon.

Why am I thinking there is a restriction on purchase even between private parties? Brain fart- too much typing and it's Friday...

Those are my excuses and I'm sticking too them

 

[Bunnykid68]

Why am I thinking there is a restriction on purchase even between private parties? Brain fart- too much typing and it's Friday...

Those are my excuses and I'm sticking too them

You should just be old and inebriated like me, makes excuses easy

 

[Sylvain]

Why am I thinking there is a restriction on purchase even between private parties? Brain fart- too much typing and it's Friday...

Those are my excuses and I'm sticking too them

Yeah you have to be a resident to buy a handgun from a private party.
But if you are gifted the gun for example you can own it as long as you are not a convicted felon.
Just like you can buy a handgun for your 19 years old son from a FFL.He's over 18 so he can own it but yet cant buy it himself from a FFL.

The law is complicate and silly since at 19 he could carry the gun with a LTCH but not buy it from a FFL until he turns 21.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Yeah you have to be a resident to buy a handgun from a private party.
But if you are gifted the gun for example you can own it as long as you are not a convicted felon.
Just like you can buy a handgun for your 19 years old son from a FFL.He's over 18 so he can own it but yet cant buy it himself from a FFL.

The law is complicate and silly since at 19 he could carry the gun with a LTCH but not buy it from a FFL until he turns 21.

Wouldn't that technically be a straw purchase and illegal? Now if you bought it for yourself and later just decided you didn't like it.....

 

[sepe]

Wouldn't that technically be a straw purchase and illegal? Now if you bought it for yourself and later just decided you didn't like it.....

If it is illegal, we've got a lot of members here that have committed crimes by buying their minor children guns.

 

[Sylvain]

Wouldn't that technically be a straw purchase and illegal? Now if you bought it for yourself and later just decided you didn't like it.....

Depends if the person you buy it for is a relative or not from what I understand.
Again just like buying a gun for your kid, the ATF says it's not a straw purchase even though you are buying a gun to gift it so someone who cannot legally buy one.
Otherwise millions of gun owners would be doing illegal straw purchases all the time.

Now if you buy guns for strangers that's another thing.