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  • JoshuaW

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    Obviously there are is a lot of emphasis on what might happen, or what could happen, but in all likelihood it will come down to a compromise. If we have to accept new legislation, what could you live with?

    I could live with a practical way to perform NICS checks for private parties, provided it was not required by law, but provided as an option to vette out buyers who shouldnt be buying. Personally, I would actually feel comfortable doing transactions on Armslist or similar sites if I could check someone out. The check would in some way have to be mutual, and it would have to be free.

    I would also like to see existing laws enforced to a much stricter degree to prevent sudo dealers who are selling stacks of new guns as a "private party". If you are operating a business, you should have an FFL. I would also support better contribution of mental health records, as long as it was court ordered. Among those records I would also include things like court ordered anger management. Lastly, I would support an improvement to NICS so that when someone was denied (not delayed, but denied) that it would notify the local police immediately. If that person was already being monitored by local LEOs, that information could be helpful.
     

    jooky52198

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    The interesting thing here is that Senator Reid made a compromise with the NRA (not sure how that happened) but in the Obamacare shamble, it protects the storing of personal data for gun owners. Im not sure there can be a compromise on anything "gun" related. Dems will start with ässault"rifles and just keep slowly taking things away
     

    gvsugod

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    Nothing. Because they will never be content. Make no mistake. They want to take your guns from you. They will do it incrementally. It will start with gunshow loophole, mag restrictions. Next universal background checks, then a retroactive national registry.

    We cannot afford to give them an inch.
     

    dom1104

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    Well I don't know about the rest of you, but if they take another inch...


    I'M GUNNA START SHOOTING PEO.....

    Man I cant even say it. I know its what all the cool kids on INGO are saying these days, but I just cant get it out.

    Such a failure.
     

    Small's

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    I have no problem with back ground checks when buying/selling a used gun. But like others have said i dont think we should give an inch either. But i honestly dont think there would be a big uproar if they do that and a magazine ban. The only problem is when the next school shooting happens they will want more guns/registration or banning of course its for the "chidrens safety." if what Feinstein proposes passes it could spark a war. Who knows what will happen though. I know it will never end. "he who gives up safety for freedom deserves neither". I totally agree with old man Franklin. What really saddens me is the state of ignorance or shall i say stupidity of the average sheep in this country. I keep seeing people post the most ignorant uneducated things about guns on facebook and i just try to tell them some truth. Even the guys on our side arent saying alot of what they should. Like mcchrystal saying the 223 is a real high powered people killing cartidge. Thats flat stupid. Alot of states wont even let people deer hunt with it because they say it wont humanely kill a deer. A good 3" 12 guage slug has about 2.5 times the ft/lbs of energy as a 223. It is a varmit cartridge and is very weak compared to alot of cartidges used throughout the US for hunting deer and other big critters. Will it do the job if put in the right place? Sure.
     

    cwagner1

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    Any bans are absolutely off the table. I should be able to buy autoloading rifles and 20 or 30 round mags if I see fit.

    I wouldn't mind having a free way of doing a nics check when doing private sales, though.
     

    Slawburger

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    I could accept enforcing existing laws.
    I could accept stricter penalties for violent offenses.
    I could accept securing the entrances to schools.
    I could accept better mental health resources.
    I could accept a more civil society.
    I could accept self-restraint by the entertainment industry.
    I could accept acknowledgement that murder happens without rifles.

    I could not accept any further erosion of my constitutional and natural rights. Whatever territory is ceded today becomes the starting point for the next "compromise".
     

    cwagner1

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    But.....the .223 is used in the ar15. It's the most deadly war machine gun ever produced. With a single pull of the trigger, you can spray 100s of bullets in mere seconds. We must outlaw them to save the children. :laugh:

    My auto loading hunting rifle would do more damage.

    And rifle related assaults are responsible for such a small percentage of homicides that it makes no sense to even look at them as a lever for curbing homicide. A simple look at the FBI website data clearly shows this.

    Not to mention, we already have 10 years worth of data from the last awb/mag cap ban. It clearly shows that there is no statistical correlation between a ban and homicide numbers.

    Since 2002, gun homicides and gun crime has decreased 50% on a percentage basis. We are safer now than we were 10 years ago, despite all of the legally owned assault weapons and high capacity magazines that are in people's homes.

    But people wanting these bans don't listen to statistics and math. Only bleeding heart sob stories. We need more cases of people successfully defending themselves with firearms on the front pages.


    I have no problem with back ground checks when buying/selling a used gun. But like others have said i dont think we should give an inch either. But i honestly dont think there would be a big uproar if they do that and a magazine ban. The only problem is when the next school shooting happens they will want more guns/registration or banning of course its for the "chidrens safety." if what Feinstein proposes passes it could spark a war. Who knows what will happen though. I know it will never end. "he who gives up safety for freedom deserves neither". I totally agree with old man Franklin. What really saddens me is the state of ignorance or shall i say stupidity of the average sheep in this country. I keep seeing people post the most ignorant uneducated things about guns on facebook and i just try to tell them some truth. Even the guys on our side arent saying alot of what they should. Like mcchrystal saying the 223 is a real high powered people killing cartidge. Thats flat stupid. Alot of states wont even let people deer hunt with it because they say it wont humanely kill a deer. A good 3" 12 guage slug has about 2.5 times the ft/lbs of energy as a 223. It is a varmit cartridge and is very weak compared to alot of cartidges used throughout the US for hunting deer and other big critters. Will it do the job if put in the right place? Sure.
     

    Miles42

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    I really feel the intent is ultimate ban of gun ownership. To that end I am not willing to compromise on the issue. Sadly in the end it may come down to fight or surrender. I will not live to see it as I am 70 plus. There on too many gun owners with their head in the sand right now awaiting others to fight their fight. I do not agree with some of the ways the NRA is run but there is power in numbers when it comes to Congress and politicians. The NRA should have 20 Million members. If the yearly dues are too much then you really are not serious about 2nd amendment rights.
     
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    slipnotz

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    Compromise means giving up something that we currently have, they will never stop. We need to stick to our guns.
     

    toddcraft33

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    How about a trial for government officials. When they take an oath of office, they promise to uphold and protect the Constitution.
     
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