GOA - On the verge of NPS victory!

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GOA - On the verge of NPS victory! edit (We won!)

Just got an email from GOA concerning the National Park carry issue. According to GOA we should have an answer this week . Take a look!

Link:

Gun Owners Are On The Verge Of A Huge, Legislative Victory

 

[CarmelHP]

I believe we won this one today (5/20):

H.R.627

Credit CARD Act of 2009 (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)
SEC. 512. PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM VIOLENT CRIME.

• (a) Congressional Findings- Congress finds the following:

• • (1) The Second Amendment to the Constitution provides that `the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'.

• • (2) Section 2.4(a)(1) of title 36, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that `except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net'.

• • (3) Section 27.42 of title 50, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that, except in special circumstances, citizens of the United States may not `possess, use, or transport firearms on national wildlife refuges' of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

• • (4) The regulations described in paragraphs (2) and (3) prevent individuals complying with Federal and State laws from exercising the second amendment rights of the individuals while at units of--

• • • (A) the National Park System; and

• • • (B) the National Wildlife Refuge System.

• • (5) The existence of different laws relating to the transportation and possession of firearms at different units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System entrapped law-abiding gun owners while at units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.

• • (6) Although the Bush administration issued new regulations relating to the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens in units of the National Park System and National Wildlife Refuge System that went into effect on January 9, 2009--

• • • (A) on March 19, 2009, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia granted a preliminary injunction with respect to the implementation and enforcement of the new regulations; and

• • • (B) the new regulations--

• • • • (i) are under review by the administration; and

• • • • (ii) may be altered.

• • (7) Congress needs to weigh in on the new regulations to ensure that unelected bureaucrats and judges cannot again override the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens on 83,600,000 acres of National Park System land and 90,790,000 acres of land under the jurisdiction of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

• • (8) The Federal laws should make it clear that the second amendment rights of an individual at a unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System should not be infringed.

• (b) Protecting the Right of Individuals To Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System- The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--

• • (1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

• • (2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.
    

H.R. 627: to amend the Truth in Lending Act to establish fair and transparent practices relating to the extension of credit under an open end consumer credit plan, and for other purposes
Pursuant to the provisions of H. Res. 456, the House is considered to have agreed to the Senate amendment.
2:24 P.M. - Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to agree to section 512 of the Senate amendment Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 279 - 147 (Roll no. 277).

2:15 P.M. - Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to agree to all but section 512 of the Senate amendment Agreed to by recorded vote: 361 - 64 (Roll no. 276).
[SIZE=+2]
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 277[/SIZE](Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)
H R 627 YEA-AND-NAY 20-May-2009 2:24 PM
QUESTION: Concur In Sec. 512 of Sen Amdt.
BILL TITLE: Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act of 2009


YeasNaysPRESNVDemocratic105145 5Republican1742 2Independent TOTALS2791477

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Aderholt
Adler (NJ)
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Arcuri
Austria
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Bachus
Barrow
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bean
Berkley
Berry
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boccieri
Boehner
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boozman
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd
Brady (TX)
Bright
Broun (GA)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
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Burgess
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Buyer
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Camp
Campbell
Cantor
Cao
Capito
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Carney
Carter
Cassidy
Chaffetz
Chandler
Childers
Coble
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Cole
Conaway
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Culberson
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
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Deal (GA)
DeFazio
DeGette
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dingell
Donnelly (IN)
Dreier
Driehaus
Duncan
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellsworth
Emerson
Etheridge
Fallin
Flake
Fleming
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foster
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Giffords
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
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Granger
Graves
Grayson
Green, Gene
Griffith
Guthrie
Hall (TX)
Halvorson
Harper
Hastings (WA)
Heinrich
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth Sandlin
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Hinchey
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Holden
Hunter
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Issa
Jenkins
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Johnson (IL)
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Jones
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Kanjorski
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LaTourette
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Luetkemeyer
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Lungren, Daniel E.
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Massa
Matheson
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Mica
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Young (AK)
Young (FL)

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Brown, Corrine
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Capuano
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Green, Al
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Bachmann
Barrett (SC)
Braley (IA)
Polis (CO)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Speier
Stark

 

[bogus]

Thanks for confirming CarmelHP.

Here's the latest from GOA:

"Gun Owners of America was the most consistent and loudest voice on
Capitol Hill in support of the effort to repeal the National Park
Service gun ban." -- Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK)


Wednesday, May 20, 2009

Good news!

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill today that included an
amendment to repeal the gun ban on National Park Service (NPS) land and
wildlife refuges.

The amendment, sponsored by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and attached to a
credit card industry reform bill, passed the House overwhelmingly by a
vote of 279-147.

For decades, law-abiding citizens have been prohibited from exercising
their Second Amendment rights on NPS land and wildlife refuges, even if
the state in which the land is located allows carrying firearms.

With some limited exceptions for hunting, the only way to legally
possess a firearm anywhere in a national park is by having it unloaded
and inaccessible, such as locked up in an automobile trunk. A Bush
administration regulation partially reversed the ban, but that action
was singlehandedly negated recently by an activist judge in Washington,
D.C. The Department of Interior decided not to appeal that ruling.

Senator Coburn believes, like you do, that Americans should not be
forced to sacrifice their Second Amendment rights when entering NPS land
and wildlife refuges.

GOA worked with Coburn on an amendment that simply allows for state and
local laws -- instead of unelected bureaucrats and anti gun activist
judges -- to govern firearm possession on these lands.

The anti-gun leadership in both the House and Senate went berserk and
fought to keep the Coburn amendment from being attached to the
underlying bill. Sparks were flying on the floor of the House of
Representatives today.

Anti-gun Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) whined that a "very good" credit
card bill had been "hijacked" by the Coburn amendment. To this, Rep.
Rob Bishop (R-UT) pointed out that gun control is the policy of tyrants,
as evidenced by the British attempt to confiscate firearms at Lexington
and Concord in 1775.

Congressional leaders and entrenched bureaucrats have fought GOA over
the NPS gun ban for the past eight years.

But your activism has finally broken through. The late Senator Everett
Dirksen said, "When I feel the heat, I see the light!" Well, you have
applied a lot of heat. Members of Congress know that they oppose your
Second Amendment rights at their own peril.

As it stands today, both houses of Congress have now passed the Coburn
amendment -- and President Obama is expected to sign the provision into
law (only because it is part of a larger credit card bill that he really
wants).

So, congratulate yourself for winning this long, hard battle. GOA was
the leading, and often only, national gun group involved in this fight.
You involvement was absolutely vital to achieving this win.

Of course, many more battles lie ahead. President Obama continues to
push for the Senate to ratify massive international gun control
treaties. There is a battle over a Supreme Court nominee coming up.
Anti-gun zealots in Congress are aggressively pushing to renew the
Clinton gun ban and close down gun shows.

And as the health care debate picks up steam in the coming weeks and
months, GOA is battling efforts to create a computerized national
healthcare database. Such a database can be used to deny people their
Second Amendment rights in the same way that so many veterans have lost
their gun rights based only on the diagnoses of a doctor for things like
combat-related stress.

GOA will be calling for action on these and other Second Amendment
issues as they move through Congress.

In the meantime, have a safe Memorial Day as we remember those who gave
the ultimate sacrifice so that America would remain "Land of the Free."

 

[CarmelHP]

Please note that Carson and Viscloskey remained firmly anti-gun. Vote accordingly.

 

[bogus]

Anti-gun Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) whined that a "very good" credit
card bill had been "hijacked" by the Coburn amendment. To this, Rep.
Rob Bishop (R-UT) pointed out that gun control is the policy of tyrants,
as evidenced by the British attempt to confiscate firearms at Lexington
and Concord in 1775.

You've got to love this part...

 

[Scutter01]

As happy as I am about the win, it bugs the hell out of me that it was tacked onto a completely unrelated bill.

 

[CarmelHP]

As happy as I am about the win, it bugs the hell out of me that it was tacked onto a completely unrelated bill.

Why?

 

[Scutter01]

Why?

Because bills shouldn't work that way. They should be two separate things voted on as two separate issues.

 

[CarmelHP]

Because bills shouldn't work that way. They should be two separate things voted on as two separate issues.

That's why I asked. Sec. 512 was voted on independently of the rest of the bill. Roll Call 276 was the Senate Amendment without 512, Roll Call 277 was Sec. 512.

H.R. 627: to amend the Truth in Lending Act to establish fair and transparent practices relating to the extension of credit under an open end consumer credit plan, and for other purposes
Pursuant to the provisions of H. Res. 456, the House is considered to have agreed to the Senate amendment.
2:24 P.M. - Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to agree to section 512 of the Senate amendment Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 279 - 147 (Roll no. 277).

2:15 P.M. - Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to agree to all but section 512 of the Senate amendment Agreed to by recorded vote: 361 - 64 (Roll no. 276).

Also, the Amendment to the Senate bill passed by a significant margin by itself:

S.AMDT.1067 to H.R.627 To protect innocent Americans from violent crime in national parks and refuges.
Sponsor: Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (introduced 5/12/2009) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 5/12/2009 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 1067, pursuant to the order of May 12, 2009, having acheived the required 60 votes in the affirmative, was agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 67 - 29. Record Vote Number: 188.

 

[El Cazador]

While I'm glad carry will be available in the National Park system again, they beat us again pretty smoothly. We won a small victory, they made short term credit less available to many, more expensive to almost all, and those with good credit and credit history are now going to finance those who default on their obligations. More theft from the responsible by the irresponsible. Wonderful.

In chess, they sacrificed a pawn to position their bishop for check. Somehow, we have to learn to play better chess.

 

[jforrest]

• • (2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.
    

I just saw this article on my Google homepage, this is really good news. I have one question: The above quote says it depends on the individual state's laws. Does Indiana have any law against carry in National Parks? I don't think they do but I want to make sure. Thanks in advance.

 

[CarmelHP]

I just saw this article on my Google homepage, this is really good news. I have one question: The above quote says it depends on the individual state's laws. Does Indiana have any law against carry in National Parks? I don't think they do but I want to make sure. Thanks in advance.

No. It means that you will need your carry license to carry in Indiana.

 

[rambone]

While I'm glad carry will be available in the National Park system again, they beat us again pretty smoothly. We won a small victory, they made short term credit less available to many, more expensive to almost all, and those with good credit and credit history are now going to finance those who default on their obligations. More theft from the responsible by the irresponsible. Wonderful.

In chess, they sacrificed a pawn to position their bishop for check. Somehow, we have to learn to play better chess.

El Cazador is EXACTLY right. This bill sucks!! Please read why in the following thread:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ill_of_rights_-_free_market_interference.html

 

[jforrest]

No. It means that you will need your carry license to carry in Indiana.

That's what I thought. Thanks
Now all we need is our Pres. to sign it It may not be the best (the Credit Card part) but I'll take more gun rights!

 

[CarmelHP]

El Cazador is EXACTLY right. This bill sucks!! Please read why in the following thread:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ill_of_rights_-_free_market_interference.html

Of course it does, but it WAS going to pass. We were getting lemons one way or the other, the bill is better with some lemonade coming out than if we got nothing at all. This is how you move your agenda, attach incremental wins to what the enemy is going to do anyway.