what would happen if I shot a guy who was shooting at police

[pinshooter45]

Well for me the question might be before I think about all the possible legal aftermath. Would be I get shot by the cops? In a raging gunfight (depending on the number of LEO's already engaged) Shots coming from another direction might just as easily be interpreted as an additional suspect joining the fight. The sound of gunfire from another direction is probably much easier to determine than where the shots are going! That being said if I saw that an officer was in imminent mortal danger I would act appropriately just as I would for a private citizen.

 

[AD Marc]

Would you walk up to paramedics treating someone on the street and just start rendering medical aid to their patient? Would you walk up to a fire scene and just start helping the fire department put out the fire? What makes you think you would be any more welcome showing up to "help" the police while they are in the middle of doing their jobs?

You are just some dude who owns a gun. That is the extent of your responsibility in this matter. My recommendation is to get as far away from the problem as possible. The circumstances under which your assistance would be both helpful and appreciated are both extreme and rare.

 

[Smokepole]

Would you walk up to paramedics treating someone on the street and just start rendering medical aid to their patient? Would you walk up to a fire scene and just start helping the fire department put out the fire? What makes you think you would be any more welcome showing up to "help" the police while they are in the middle of doing their jobs?

You are just some dude who owns a gun. That is the extent of your responsibility in this matter. My recommendation is to get as far away from the problem as possible. The circumstances under which your assistance would be both helpful and appreciated are both extreme and rare.

Not the same thing. In your case none of the emergency personnel that you mention are in immediate mortal danger with no help around. unlike the cop in this thread.

That having been said, I thought that there was some old law on the books that said if a cop is in need of assistance and you are able to provide said assistance, you are supposed to provide it. Never enforced obviously, but I think an old cop buddy told me about this. I'm probably wrong though.

 

[ryang]

This is an article from Feb 20th, 2006 from Baton Rouge where something similar happened, no charges pressed

Bystander Fired Deadly Shot, Not Officer - WAFB 9 News Baton Rouge, Louisiana News, Weather, Sports

 

[vitamink]

It's happened here before and no charges either. I've told the story before i'll see if i can find it to cut and paste as it's pretty funny.

 

[11-B]

I think the problem lies in some of the descriptions of what folks say they might do. There is a HUGE difference between shooting at something and making a shot. I would never shoot AT anyone not shooting at me in an urban environment. If I had a shots that I was 100% I could make to stop others from being killed, I would take them.

shooting at and making a shot??? same thing we are not talking about shooting clay pidgins or watching shooter this is a real world situation look at the pictures they guy took easy shot

 

[AD Marc]

Not the same thing. In your case none of the emergency personnel that you mention are in immediate mortal danger with no help around. unlike the cop in this thread.

Sorry, but what you are talking about is not the situation that was displayed in the original post. This was not a lone officer in distress.

 

[ModernGunner]

what would happen if I shot a guy who was shooting at police? Would you?

Let me ask you a couple questions (asked in a different thread with some amazingly mind-numbing responses) - Why do you carry?

Do you carry 'so no bad guys mess with you'? OR do you carry to carry to protect life, liberty, and property of yourself and those under your protection and in your purview?

If you read through the threads that address various situations and scenarios, you'll readily discover that MANY on this forum (and many others) have NEVER looked in the mirror and asked themselves that question.

Next 11-B, why do YOU think that Cop, male or female, will put on that uniform tomorrow and go hit the streets? 'Cause it's a high-payin' job? 'Cause it sure as hell ain't. So they can be 'Wyatt Earp'? Why did Wyatt Earp do it? So they can 'boss people around'? That doesn't go far in today's litigious society. So they can get a 'pat on the back' from the citizens? They'll get far more insults and condemnation thrown at them in their career than they'll EVER get praise and accolade.

Perhaps they do it because they know the bad guys are out there, and as endless and thankless a job as it is (and it IS), they accept the badge and wear the gun because they KNOW that, while there are those out there who deride and hate them, THOSE people STILL deserve to be protected from the criminals.

That cop will, god forbid, give up his or her life to insure to the best of their ability that YOU don't get shot down in a darkened theater at midnight, or your kid or grandkid doesn't get gunned down at a school. IF it's a choice between your life or theirs being jeopardized, they'll go headlong into a situation believing YOURS is the MOST important to defend. SOME things are worth defending, even at great personal risk.

That's the discipline.

What you're REALLY asking, yourself, is what that's cop life, based on what you now know, worth to YOU? What would 'happen'? At the very LEAST, you'd have a cop (or cops) that would owe you their life. Would they 'thank' you or be 'appreciative'? Is that WHY you'd do it, for the 'glory'?

If you're asking if you'd 'get in trouble'. Of course not. Gun and defense laws in EVERY State expect that you'll defend not only yourself, but those around you if need arises. There are NO laws to the contrary in ANY State, despite the ramblings and rhetoric.

Would *I*?

I think I just answered that.

 

[11-B]

Let me ask you a couple questions (asked in a different thread with some amazingly mind-numbing responses) - Why do you carry?

Do you carry 'so no bad guys mess with you'? OR do you carry to carry to protect life, liberty, and property of yourself and those under your protection and in your purview?

If you read through the threads that address various situations and scenarios, you'll readily discover that MANY on this forum (and many others) have NEVER looked in the mirror and asked themselves that question.

Next 11-B, why do YOU think that Cop, male or female, will put on that uniform tomorrow and go hit the streets? 'Cause it's a high-payin' job? 'Cause it sure as hell ain't. So they can be 'Wyatt Earp'? Why did Wyatt Earp do it? So they can 'boss people around'? That doesn't go far in today's litigious society. So they can get a 'pat on the back' from the citizens? They'll get far more insults and condemnation thrown at them in their career than they'll EVER get praise and accolade.

Perhaps they do it because they know the bad guys are out there, and as endless and thankless a job as it is (and it IS), they accept the badge and wear the gun because they KNOW that, while there are those out there who deride and hate them, THOSE people STILL deserve to be protected from the criminals.

That cop will, god forbid, give up his or her life to insure to the best of their ability that YOU don't get shot down in a darkened theater at midnight, or your kid or grandkid doesn't get gunned down at a school. IF it's a choice between your life or theirs being jeopardized, they'll go headlong into a situation believing YOURS is the MOST important to defend. SOME things are worth defending, even at great personal risk.

That's the discipline.

What you're REALLY asking, yourself, is what that's cop life, based on what you now know, worth to YOU? What would 'happen'? At the very LEAST, you'd have a cop (or cops) that would owe you their life. Would they 'thank' you or be 'appreciative'? Is that WHY you'd do it, for the 'glory'?

If you're asking if you'd 'get in trouble'. Of course not. Gun and defense laws in EVERY State expect that you'll defend not only yourself, but those around you if need arises. There are NO laws to the contrary in ANY State, despite the ramblings and rhetoric.

Would *I*?

I think I just answered that.

If I were in that situation I would without any hesitant secure my family in a safe room....open a window and kill those shooting at LEOs....that would just be my reaction that is who I am I dont do things like that for the glory.....I have 2 deployments in iraq never once during my time did I think about glory.....what use do I have for glory....that is for the people who watch too many movies or the people who think Hurt Locker was good......and to answer your question I carry a gun for my family's safety and for the safety of others around me.....not for glory...glory is worthless to me.

I dont know why one cop from another puts on their uniform...I am sure there are a number of reasons. I have never been a cop but I know everyday I put on my uniform I did it because I am a patriot...because I was apart of a brotherhood that stood their ground in the face of evil men. I am proud of my service...I wish I could go back in...I will never be as happy as I was serving

 

[DoggyDaddy]

There's a similar discussion on this topic in the seedy underbelly of INGO.

The situation would have to warrant it. If I thought it was needed to save the officer I would shoot. With that said, in this very high stress situation you better make DAMN sure the officer(s) know you're a good guy.


Hold up your CCW badge while screaming "LEGALLY ARMED CITIZEN!!!"

 

[10mm Snack Pack]

Great state of Texas. [ame]http://youtu.be/4g1n8cmwhIY[/ame]

 

[TheReaper]

I would ask the cop what his INGO name is and then decide

This is the response that is expected from Indiana Gun Owners members.

 

[Smokepole]

Great state of Texas. http://youtu.be/4g1n8cmwhIY

Good for him and for the cop that her helped. It appears that all worked out well. It would have been better had the cops known what he did up from and not hadcuffed the poor guy, but policies are in place for reasons and they got it right pretty quickly.

In answer to the OP's original question, yes I would help the cops. They do their part to try to protect us and I will do my part for them.

 

[Smokepole]

This is the response that is expected from Indiana Gun Owners members.

Meaning exactly what? I believe he was being facetious.

 

[Thegeek]

I was always told that if the cops are engaged in a fire fight, and you start shooting, the line between good guy and bad guy get's blurred too easily. If you're not wearing a uniform, or a badge, then you might get mistaken for a bad guy.

 

[Leo]

When you get a CHL in Texas, you sign and agree that you will help any peace officer in trouble. There is even a statute in the law that holds you legally accountable if it is proven you could have saved an officers life and did not. No one has ever been charged with refusing that civic duty.

On the other side of the story, well over 300 Citizen CHL holders have been given state awards for directly being responsible for saving the lives of Peace officers who were pinned down by criminal gunfire. One of those awards was given to a man a week after my CHL paperwork came through.

I do not know how it works in Indiana. I did have a police officer I know in NW Indiana ask me if I was armed and told me to watch his back. He was off duty when we were both in a store that looked like it was going to be robbed by a group of gang bangers. I would have engaged with the officer because it would have been the right thing to do, but I an not sure of the legal risk.

 

[Expat]

This is the response that is expected from Indiana Gun Owners members.

Meaning exactly what? I believe he was being facetious.

Apparently he doesn't understand emoticons (the funny little face at the end of my message).

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I do not know how it works in Indiana. I did have a police officer I know in NW Indiana ask me if I was armed and told me to watch his back. .

IC 35-44.1-3-3
Refusal to aid an officer
Sec. 3. A person who, when ordered by a law enforcement officer to assist the officer in the execution of the officer's duties, knowingly or intentionally, and without a reasonable cause, refuses to assist commits refusal to aid an officer, a Class B misdemeanor.

 

[TheReaper]

Apparently he doesn't understand emoticons (the funny little face at the end of my message).

I understood it perfectly, but that is extremely typical since the majority of INGO's members hate the police.

 

[printcraft]

I understood it perfectly, but that is extremely typical since the majority of INGO's members hate the police.