Open Carry is Expanding

[the1kidd03]

some good reference cases in here
Open carry rising: states, courts, expand open carry rights - Washington DC gun rights | Examiner.com

 

[Rhoadmar]

This is terrible. The carnage caused from oc'ers being targeted by criminals and Jbts will spread.

 

[lonehoosier]

This is terrible. The carnage caused from oc'ers being targeted by criminals and Jbts will spread.

Don't forget about the school bus driver's leaving our kids standing at the corner.

 

[MTC]

Ohmahgaaawd! Blood in the streets! Wild wild west! We can't just have people running around with gunzz! We've got to do something!
There ought to be a law against it! We demand action!

This is terrible. The carnage caused from oc'ers being targeted by criminals and Jbts will spread.

Don't forget about the school bus driver's leaving our kids standing at the corner.

^^^ Not only that! You crazy gun nuts are contributing to an entire generation of five-year-old female kleptomaniacs!

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

Think Starbucks is reconsidering?

 

[MTC]

some good reference cases in here
Open carry rising: states, courts, expand open carry rights - Washington DC gun rights | Examiner.com

Hmmm. Good news overall. Unfortunately bumps Indiana back from the (approx)#12 spot to about 14th or 15th, yet still within the grouping I had them before in my personal gun rights grading scale.

Article seems to confirm notes from lectures by Kirk Freeman, Esq. -- Juridical Director of the Royal Reformatory:

"The courts will not go where the culture has not been." [so ...]

"Change your culture, change your world."

 

[jrogers]

Wandering around in public with a gun on your hip isn't going to convert anyone. It's certainly your right to go about armed, but the idea that doing so changes the culture is silly. Effecting change seems even less likely given that only rarely do I see someone with a gun on his hip who doesn't look like a "gun-totin' redneck" stereotype straight from central casting.

 

[Stschil]

Wandering around in public with a gun on your hip isn't going to convert anyone. It's certainly your right to go about armed, but the idea that doing so changes the culture is silly. Effecting change seems even less likely given that only rarely do I see someone with a gun on his hip who doesn't look like a "gun-totin' redneck" stereotype straight from central casting.

I think you may be unconsciously practicing selective observation J. The OCers that I have observed tend to be nicely dressed for the most part, Busniess casual khakis or jeans and polo or button down with proper holster. Rarely (even in Martinsille) have I seen the stereotype you describe. I 'see' a lot more CCers though, or at least people who give those visual tells. (Adjusting/checking shirt tails/printing/etc) that fall closer to your mark.

 

[jrogers]

Double post. Apologies.

 

[jrogers]

We all practice selective observation, but you may be right. I don't see very many people open carrying up my way. I don't much care how people who carry concealed dress, as they aren't self selecting as ambassadors for gun owners everywhere. I confess I did run out to the store last week in jeans and a decade-old concert shirt over a G19 in an MTAC, but I grew out of tugging at my shirt every ten seconds years ago.

My primary point is still that no soccer mom is going to see a pistol on your hip and experience an epiphany, emerging from Starbucks a newly-minted supporter of the Second Amendment as we interpret it.

 

[the1kidd03]

We all practice selective observation, but you may be right. I don't see very many people open carrying up my way. I don't much care how people who carry concealed dress, as they aren't self selecting as ambassadors for gun owners everywhere. I confess I did run out to the store last week in jeans and a decade-old concert shirt over a G19 in an MTAC, but I grew out of tugging at my shirt every ten seconds years ago.

My primary point is still that no soccer mom is going to see a pistol on your hip and experience an epiphany, emerging from Starbucks a newly-minted supporter of the Second Amendment as we interpret it.

Of course the mere sight of a gun on a carrier's hip is not going to miraculously result in a life changing epiphany from someone who was previously opposed to or afraid of firearms. Very few people even suggest such a concept that I've ever seen/heard of.

What it does often do, is spark their curiosity enough to ask questions. At this point the direction of the conversation and the outcome is almost entirely up to the carrier, their personal skills, persuasive skills, patience, etc. There are VERY few people who's minds cannot/will not change with persistence, patience, and credibly reasoned explanation. The bad part is that not all gun owners possess all of these attributes or practice them to the extent needed to help change people's perspectives. Much less do they understand the reasoning behind those perspectives, and how to go about elimination processes of identifying where they are developed to help them counter appropriately. All things I focus on in my research.

My open carry has lead to MANY of these interactions. Very few minds have I not been able to change if given the necessary time.

My point being that OC can provide for life changing events to occur, but that is completely reliant on the carrier as described.

 

[Stschil]

My primary point is still that no soccer mom is going to see a pistol on your hip and experience an epiphany, emerging from Starbucks a newly-minted supporter of the Second Amendment as we interpret it.

I agree somewhat because people rarely notice that I am OCiing (I carry a brushed stainless 1911 in a black leather OWB holster) However, I was approached by the proverbial soccer mom one day about a year ago. She was pretty rude at first, asking why I wanted to 'Scare Everyone' until I asked her quite calmly "Ma'am, if I'm so scarey and menacing, how did you get up the nerve to confront me?" Her mouth started moving like a fish gasping for air but made no sound as she pondered her answer, which did not come. I answered for her, "It's because you really didn't see me as a threat, right?" She agreed. Then I asked if she would feel differently if she had had plans to rob the store we were in and she replyed that she would have. I left her with that thought and a respectful "Perhaps you will view gun owners differently in the future" and a smiling "Enjoy your afternoon"
Did I change her mind? I don't know but I made her think and I'm sure she will remember our conversation and that she was treated with respect by that tall, clean cut guy who had that shiny pistol on his hip.

 

[Hotdoger]

The leftist mentality would not let one think as you Stschil. IE. Soccer moms and other INGO posters.

 

[the1kidd03]

The leftist mentality would not let one think as you Stschil. IE. Soccer moms and other INGO posters.

Subscribing to common stereotypes in blind fashion does exactly the opposite of helping your cause.

 

[Hotdoger]

Subscribing to common stereotypes in blind fashion does exactly the opposite of helping your cause.

Choosing to not under stand the reality of where and why stereotypes are derived is what is common.

 

[Stschil]

The leftist mentality would not let one think as you Stschil. IE. Soccer moms and other INGO posters.

That really has been the only quasi-negative experience I've had since I started to OC about three years ago. I, like the1kidd03, have had a few inquisitive people and some good conversations. Like I said above (and in other threads before) most people are just too involved in themselves and in their own little world to notice most of the time.

 

[the1kidd03]

Subscribing to common stereotypes in blind fashion does exactly the opposite of helping your cause.

Choosing to not under stand the reality of where and why stereotypes are derived is what is common.

Exactly my point. Hence, why stereotyping blindly is inherently ineffective and does not help a purpose. One can stereotype information effectively, or ineffectively.

 

[SMiller]

Wandering around in public with a gun on your hip isn't going to convert anyone. It's certainly your right to go about armed, but the idea that doing so changes the culture is silly. Effecting change seems even less likely given that only rarely do I see someone with a gun on his hip who doesn't look like a "gun-totin' redneck" stereotype straight from central casting.

Nice to know you think we are all white trash rednecks...

 

[Turfweazel]

Wandering around in public with a gun on your hip isn't going to convert anyone. It's certainly your right to go about armed, but the idea that doing so changes the culture is silly. Effecting change seems even less likely given that only rarely do I see someone with a gun on his hip who doesn't look like a "gun-totin' redneck" stereotype straight from central casting.

I wear a cowboy hat, cowboy boots, my wranglers, and my gun everywhere I go. If that makes me a gun-totin redneck stereotype then I really don't care to talk to you either. Don't judge a book by its cover and all that.

 

[eldirector]

Wandering around in public with a gun on your hip isn't going to convert anyone.

But it might. Concealing certainly won't.

It's certainly your right to go about armed

Yes, it is.

, but the idea that doing so changes the culture is silly.

I bed to differ.

Effecting change seems even less likely given that only rarely do I see someone with a gun on his hip who doesn't look like a "gun-totin' redneck" stereotype straight from central casting.

You need to get out more.

While I have also noticed very few that carry openly, I have yet to see a "gun-totin' redneck". I certainly do NOT see one in the mirror each morning.

You most certainly cannot effect change by staying in the closet. If you want to see a major shift in perception, you need to get out and push for it. If not, then the "other side" will absolutely be pushing in the OTHER direction.