Thoughts yes I have some thoughts.
If you think mastering trigger press and sight alignment is tough and takes time. Then being successful in the positions that they are describing in this video is going to take much longer. Then if the person you are struggling with has wrestling experience and you do not then your chances of success are slim. If the person you are struggling with has no wrestling experience but is 25 pounds heavier than you and you weigh less than 200 pounds, things are going to be very difficult.
I have heard the term clinch used before on this board somewhere and I never paid any attention. I would not use the term clinch unless I or my opponent had his hands locked around the body. In the Greco Roman world the clinch is when both guys have their arms locked. Shivworks has some wrestling knowledge and background and does a good job of breaking things down so they are easy to understand for those who don't have that background. Maintaining a wrist tie against someone with experience can be very difficult to do.
I think this video makes people think that a few moves or positions are easy to master and breed false confidence. If you worked hard for 5-6 days a week for a few months you would have a good start on getting these positions under control. Shivworks is right that the underhook is preferred but it is not quite as simple to maintain. I can give you and underhook and I can make your life very difficult. That lazy elbow that shivworks mentioned, can take you to the ground and choke the **** out of you before you know what happened if the other guy has some wrestling experience.
If someone is going to spend the time learning these positions and techniques they should learn how to put the other guy on the ground, and then escape and draw.
I would recommend getting a lock around the body of the other guy that pins his dominate arm to his side and then put him on the ground. Another key point is to make the other guy react to you so that he cannot execute his plan.
I have 20 plus years of experience and knowledge in these areas and could teach these positions all day long. Heavyweights live and die in these positions. Gaining a position of advantage and breaking free to draw a gun or knife is easier than pinning the other guy.
Thoughts yes I have some thoughts.
If you think mastering trigger press and sight alignment is tough and takes time. Then being successful in the positions that they are describing in this video is going to take much longer. Then if the person you are struggling with has wrestling experience and you do not then your chances of success are slim. If the person you are struggling with has no wrestling experience but is 25 pounds heavier than you and you weigh less than 200 pounds, things are going to be very difficult.
I have heard the term clinch used before on this board somewhere and I never paid any attention. I would not use the term clinch unless I or my opponent had his hands locked around the body. In the Greco Roman world the clinch is when both guys have their arms locked. Shivworks has some wrestling knowledge and background and does a good job of breaking things down so they are easy to understand for those who don't have that background. Maintaining a wrist tie against someone with experience can be very difficult to do.
I think this video makes people think that a few moves or positions are easy to master and breed false confidence. If you worked hard for 5-6 days a week for a few months you would have a good start on getting these positions under control. Shivworks is right that the underhook is preferred but it is not quite as simple to maintain. I can give you and underhook and I can make your life very difficult. That lazy elbow that shivworks mentioned, can take you to the ground and choke the **** out of you before you know what happened if the other guy has some wrestling experience.
If someone is going to spend the time learning these positions and techniques they should learn how to put the other guy on the ground, and then escape and draw.
I would recommend getting a lock around the body of the other guy that pins his dominate arm to his side and then put him on the ground. Another key point is to make the other guy react to you so that he cannot execute his plan.
I have 20 plus years of experience and knowledge in these areas and could teach these positions all day long. Heavyweights live and die in these positions. Gaining a position of advantage and breaking free to draw a gun or knife is easier than pinning the other guy.
Right on Coach. That idea of honesty in training is my number 1 most important point and forms the backbone of the only class I teach. The DVD can only do so much. In the real class people grind these until arms are black and blue and you can hardly move the next day. If anything is clear by the end, it's that "this is hard and I need more practice!"
Shivworks and PDN on entanglement:
[video=youtube_share;GQ7jBRZwiCg]http://youtu.be/GQ7jBRZwiCg[/video]
Thoughts?
I know, I know, we all think we can out draw the advancing BG...
Situational awareness...
Just shoot 'em...
Perhaps he is not meaning to say it is simple to master. But get an underhook and do this and that is not acknowledging the difficulty in maintaining a position of advantage. a couple of guys who know what they are doing will have a huge battle in trying to get and maintain underhooks and overhooks.
So, one thing that I've been playing with here and there during BJJ class, both standing and on the ground, is controlling the opponents wrist with a C-grip and pressing it to their hip or body (basically a wrist tie). You see Jones do this a few times in the above videos. I do this commonly with an underhook on the opposite side, and also sometimes from a tight overhook. I might use it to control a post to sweep from butterfly or other guard positions. I have yet to make effective use of it while standing, but my wrestling game is weak and I don't work from standing nearly enough to understand my options.
Either way, I see this particular attempt at wrist control as potentially a gateway to keeping an opponent from accessing a weapon, using a weapon already in hand, and from striking me. I say a gateway because, thus far, I don't have the skills do to anything significant with it if my opponent has any wrestling acumen at all (even as little as I have).
Anyway, those are some things I'm doing with these ideas. I don't know if this will generate any discussion.
Thoughts yes I have some thoughts.
If you think mastering trigger press and sight alignment is tough and takes time. Then being successful in the positions that they are describing in this video is going to take much longer. Then if the person you are struggling with has wrestling experience and you do not then your chances of success are slim. If the person you are struggling with has no wrestling experience but is 25 pounds heavier than you and you weigh less than 200 pounds, things are going to be very difficult.
I have heard the term clinch used before on this board somewhere and I never paid any attention. I would not use the term clinch unless I or my opponent had his hands locked around the body. In the Greco Roman world the clinch is when both guys have their arms locked. Shivworks has some wrestling knowledge and background and does a good job of breaking things down so they are easy to understand for those who don't have that background. Maintaining a wrist tie against someone with experience can be very difficult to do.
I think this video makes people think that a few moves or positions are easy to master and breed false confidence. If you worked hard for 5-6 days a week for a few months you would have a good start on getting these positions under control. Shivworks is right that the underhook is preferred but it is not quite as simple to maintain. I can give you and underhook and I can make your life very difficult. That lazy elbow that shivworks mentioned, can take you to the ground and choke the **** out of you before you know what happened if the other guy has some wrestling experience.
If someone is going to spend the time learning these positions and techniques they should learn how to put the other guy on the ground, and then escape and draw.
I would recommend getting a lock around the body of the other guy that pins his dominate arm to his side and then put him on the ground. Another key point is to make the other guy react to you so that he cannot execute his plan.
I have 20 plus years of experience and knowledge in these areas and could teach these positions all day long. Heavyweights live and die in these positions. Gaining a position of advantage and breaking free to draw a gun or knife is easier than pinning the other guy.