Tucker Carlson Eats a Gun Controller for Dinner

[OakRiver]

Sadly he is not misinformed. He is intentionally misleading, which is much worse in my opinion.

On reflection I believe that yours is the more accurate assessment.

I did enjoy the guest twisting in the wind when questioned (paraphrasing here);
"It's simple, fewer guns make us safer"
"But in these states with higher rates of gun ownership, and more liberal gun laws, crimes committed with firearms are lower than Chicago"
"Well, it's a very complex topic"

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Remember folks, people like that can only fall into a few categories: evil, ignorant, or both.

 

[seedubs1]

If you watch that segment objectively and detached as a gunowner, neither won that short debate. I don't see Carlson swaying anybody to the pro-gun side with those arguments. He came off as a prick that couldn't coherently put together a sentence.

Remember, political stances are closely tied to how people feel about their person. When you disagree with people politically, it is VERY easy to insult them as a person, at which point they shut down and stop listening. Even just stating facts doesn't do any good once your audience is insulted and shut down. Mr. Carlson isn't doing us any favors with interviews like this.

All these interviews do is provide pro-gun owners with a video to cheer at and say "ooooooh, he burned him good." But do you know what the other side is doing? They're doing the same damn thing. Nobody is actually doing a bit of good with videos like this.

 

[jamil]

If you watch that segment objectively and detached as a gunowner, neither won that short debate. I don't see Carlson swaying anybody to the pro-gun side with those arguments. He came off as a prick that couldn't coherently put together a sentence.

Remember, political stances are closely tied to how people feel about their person. When you disagree with people politically, it is VERY easy to insult them as a person, at which point they shut down and stop listening. Even just stating facts doesn't do any good once your audience is insulted and shut down. Mr. Carlson isn't doing us any favors with interviews like this.

All these interviews do is provide pro-gun owners with a video to cheer at and say "ooooooh, he burned him good." But do you know what the other side is doing? They're doing the same damn thing. Nobody is actually doing a bit of good with videos like this.

I have to admit I've lost some respect for Carlson. I keep seeing these videos that say, "Tucker Carlson destroys liberal idiot!" And then I watch the video, and I'm nearly always disappointed. It's just nearly always just a video of Carlson being an aggressive ******* and not really, logically, addressing points and counterpoints. And there are logical points and counterpoints he should have been making. He's supposed to be a professional journalist.

I thought he did okay here, but as you say, he didn't really win anything. We just like to say he won because he's on our side, and between a good point here and there, he was mean to a liberal gun banner.

But generally, for every one of the points the liberal gun banner made, we've made better counterpoints on INGO than Tucker Carlson made. That's because we take the time to thoroughly understand the facts and the issue. We know all their talking points. We know the real facts. Tucker was less informed about the issue than INGO. I thought it was a rudimentary rebuttal.

 

[seedubs1]

Agree completely. Well stated. I've seen a lot of these "XXX destroyed!!!!!!!!11!!!!1!!" videos. Every single one I've watched except one was thoroughly disappointing. The only one that I've truly seen someone "destroyed" was Richard Dawkins debating some lady. He really overwhelmed her with facts. He wasn't condescending or trying to bully her. He just thoroughly overwhelmed her with facts, and she wasn't ready for the level of depth he got into.

I have to admit I've lost some respect for Carlson. I keep seeing these videos that say, "Tucker Carlson destroys liberal idiot!" And then I watch the video, and I'm nearly always disappointed. It's just nearly always just a video of Carlson being an aggressive ******* and not really, logically, addressing points and counterpoints. And there are logical points and counterpoints he should have been making. He's supposed to be a professional journalist.

I thought he did okay here, but as you say, he didn't really win anything. We just like to say he won because he's on our side, and between a good point here and there, he was mean to a liberal gun banner.

But generally, for every one of the points the liberal gun banner made, we've made better counterpoints on INGO than Tucker Carlson made. That's because we take the time to thoroughly understand the facts and the issue. We know all their talking points. We know the real facts. Tucker was less informed about the issue than INGO. I thought it was a rudimentary rebuttal.

 

[actaeon277]

Tucker Carlson Wrecks Anti-Gun Advocate Over Assault Weapons

Crowder.

 

[seedubs1]

Crowder is also an idiot. All he is good for is yelling loudly in his echo chamber.

From his linked article:
"This segment with Tucker Carlson proves once again that what anti-gun peanut brains care about most is actually taking away guns…"

He's not doing any good with this type of junk. He's probably actually doing more harm for our cause than good. I don't like it, but with as many followers as he has, he is one of the defacto representatives of our group, and he makes us look like a bunch of idiots. He's not going to convert anyone with this type of stuff. All he's doing is getting his echo chamber to say "yeah!!!!! he done got 'em good!!!!"

Tucker Carlson Wrecks Anti-Gun Advocate Over Assault Weapons

Crowder.

 

[jamil]

Now, I've seen Ben Shapiro legitimately wreck some people.

 

[spec4]

My takeaway was that he showed what a complete ding dong the guy was. keep in mind, these clips are very time restricted so they generally won't be like a normal conversation. A lot has to be squeezed in in a short time frame.

Beyond that, watching Fox a lot I wonder why they bring some of these fools on as guests. Other than to show what hypocritical clowns these lefties can be and I already know that. Yeah yeah, I continue to watch. Can't handle network tv shows.

 

[jamil]

Crowder is also an idiot. All he is good for is yelling loudly in his echo chamber.

From his linked article:
"This segment with Tucker Carlson proves once again that what anti-gun peanut brains care about most is actually taking away guns…"

Again, he's not really doing any good with this type of junk. He's not going to convert anyone with this type of stuff. All he's doing is getting his echo chamber to say "yeah!!!!! he done got 'em good!!!!"

Yeah. I've been disappointed with Crowder as well. He can be entertaining, and I've seen some videos where he's debated people and has scored some notable points. But too ofent he confuses rudeness for a good argument.

I dunno. Maybe my standards are too high. If you say someone "wrecked" xyz in an argument, doesn't mean it must convince the opponent to concede--who does that anymore? It should mean at the minimum that they made noticeably better arguments and received noticeably inferior rebuttals. Better arguments doesn't mean "was on my side". Was mean to the libtards.

 

[jamil]

My takeaway was that he showed what a complete ding dong the guy was. keep in mind, these clips are very time restricted so they generally won't be like a normal conversation. A lot has to be squeezed in in a short time frame.

Beyond that, watching Fox a lot I wonder why they bring some of these fools on as guests. Other than to show what hypocritical clowns these lefties can be and I already know that. Yeah yeah, I continue to watch. Can't handle network tv shows.

I've watched Tucker Carlson's show maybe 10 times. So maybe a couple of dozen debates with various guests. Of those he's "wrecked" his opponent maybe once or twice. It's not that their arguments were superior, but his arguments were just to score points with the home crowd. He missed a lot of opportunities and went for the crowd favorite instead of the real "gotcha".

 

[Spear Dane]

Now, I've seen Ben Shapiro legitimately wreck some people.

And Milo. In fact a lot of times he will wreck them and then pee on the body for giggles. It's fun to watch.

 

[jamil]

One other thing I want to say. I think Tucker is a smart guy. I think if he prepared more he could really make some headway against many of these lefty idealists. But on Fox, he doesn't need to do that. All he needs to do is be rude to the lefties and everyone applauds.

 

[jamil]

And Milo. In fact a lot of times he will wreck them and then pee on the body for giggles. It's fun to watch.

Yeah. I've seen milo win some arguments. He'll say something really controversial, outlandish, and then follow up with a legitimately solid point.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

I bet somewhere that video is posted saying something like "Gun Control advocate eats Tucker Carleson for dinner!"

 

[jamil]

I bet somewhere that video is posted saying something like "Gun Control advocate eats Tucker Carleson for dinner!"

yeah, I've seen that kind of stuff too.

 

[indiucky]

Now, I've seen Ben Shapiro legitimately wreck some people.

I would say less "wreck" and more "riposte"......Ben debates like a fencer......When he gets done I sometimes look to his opponents shirt to see if there is a large "B" gracefully sliced across the chest ala Zorro....

 

[seedubs1]

This. The guy was more polished and came off as a better debater than Carson.

I bet somewhere that video is posted saying something like "Gun Control advocate eats Tucker Carleson for dinner!"

 

[Floivanus]

He mentions, if ALL states get rid of guns, they will go away (or something to that effect).

Right.
Cause we can't possibly get any across national borders.
You know, like drugs and immigrants.

https://youtu.be/Dv33pCUkLRM

why would guns need to cross borders? Seems even criminals have figured out how to throw one together.

I wasn't impressed by his 'wreckage' of the gun grabber, but c'mon 'treat semi-auto guns like a class 3 weapon' that comes off ignorant. Well it isn't like you could take out a head of state with a mail order carcano bolt action rifle, is it?

 

[patience0830]

TC ain't as hot as Megan Kelly but I like his style a lot better. Reckon he'll get her spot?