sex offender ambulance workers

[BE Mike]

So, back to the original post - I would much rather have someone on the list in that ambulance than someone engaging in the "victimless crimes" and looking for ways to score there next high (or being high).

Really? Is that the standard now? We can't expect to get someone in a position of responsibility of saving lives who isn't an addict, drunk, sex offender or felon?

 

[Leo]

Really? Is that the standard now? We can't expect to get someone in a position of responsibility of saving lives who isn't an addict, drunk, sex offender or felon?

Sad days we live in. This what the kind of crap that was in bad neighborhoods in the City of Chicago when I was a kid, now it is is every where. Of course society is so "PC" these days most don't even stand against open, perverse evil. And the trendy ones openly endorse evil, like their acceptance proves that they on a moral high ground.

 

[Hoosierkav]

In order to be an EMT or Paramedic, you need to attest to not having a conviction greater than a traffic offense... the candidate would need to have presented his legal information to DHS/EMS Commission. We know background checks are important, but, sadly, they're not always done...

I second the motion that a call to their supervisor is in order.

 

[Grogmister]

In the state of Indian there is no such thing as a "Ambulance Driver" all people who are employed to operate an ambulance must have an EMT or higher level certification/license. This is renewed every 2 yrs with continuing education hours and the medic must not have any felony convictions and must attest to that to obtain the recertification/license. Also, employers are required to check medical personnel every year against the Office of Inspector General for such cases. When I was working in the office and doing job performance reviews for every employee annually this is when we checked their name against the OIG. If done correctly and honestly by employers there should never be a felon working an ambulance or hospital for that matter in the State of Indiana.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Really? Is that the standard now? We can't expect to get someone in a position of responsibility of saving lives who isn't an addict, drunk, sex offender or felon?

If I discovered an employee working for a service I worked for was a former convict for a crime like that, my boss would get the first call and if he was still free the next day, the state EMS commission would get the next one, on both of them, even if it put me out of work. No excuse for this, if he is an actual convict.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[historian]

Some thoughts on the matter:

1) If they served the time that society (writ large, not INGO society) has proscribed them, why punish them further with lack of employment opportunities should a private company wish to hire them?

2) On a broader note, why does society (writ large, again) continual wish to punish these offenders? There are few places they can legally live, work, and do business. If they are still that large of a threat to society, should not they be removed (permanently in a government complex or eternally)?

3) How does INGO feel these offenders can redeem themselves in society?

Just some rainy Friday musings....

 

[Timjoebillybob]

So, back to the original post - I would much rather have someone on the list in that ambulance than someone engaging in the "victimless crimes" and looking for ways to score there next high (or being high).

How about if they are an alcoholic looking for ways to score there next bottle (or being drunk)? What's the difference? Or using various meds with a prescription? Are those better than someone who partakes in an illicit substance for recreation on their time off?

In the state of Indian there is no such thing as a "Ambulance Driver" all people who are employed to operate an ambulance must have an EMT or higher level certification/license. This is renewed every 2 yrs with continuing education hours and the medic must not have any felony convictions and must attest to that to obtain the recertification/license. Also, employers are required to check medical personnel every year against the Office of Inspector General for such cases. When I was working in the office and doing job performance reviews for every employee annually this is when we checked their name against the OIG. If done correctly and honestly by employers there should never be a felon working an ambulance or hospital for that matter in the State of Indiana.

Do you have a cite for that? My nephew I'm pretty sure worked as a driver without being a certified EMT, the company provided or paid for his training while he was driving to get his cert. But he was driving for them until he got it. And the IAC states that only one of the people has to be a certified EMT. 836 IAC 1-2-1 General certification provisions

(c) Each ambulance, while transporting a patient, shall
be staffed by not less than two (2) persons, one (1) of
whom shall be a certified emergency medical technician
and who shall be in the patient compartment unless an
exemption is approved by the commission through 836
IAC 1-1-3.

 

[JettaKnight]

How about if they are an alcoholic looking for ways to score there next bottle (or being drunk)? What's the difference? Or using various meds with a prescription? Are those better than someone who partakes in an illicit substance for recreation on their time off?

Yes.

 

[BE Mike]

Some thoughts on the matter:

1) If they served the time that society (writ large, not INGO society) has proscribed them, why punish them further with lack of employment opportunities should a private company wish to hire them?

2) On a broader note, why does society (writ large, again) continual wish to punish these offenders? There are few places they can legally live, work, and do business. If they are still that large of a threat to society, should not they be removed (permanently in a government complex or eternally)?

3) How does INGO feel these offenders can redeem themselves in society?

Just some rainy Friday musings....

The answers are simple. (1) Don't do stupid stuff that gets you a felony conviction and don't use illegal drugs, if you hope to have a chance of getting employment in an industry that has special trust attached. (2) If you can't control yourself and do the stupid stuff, get a job that doesn't directly affect the welfare and safety of people. As an aside, doctors, RN's and attorneys may lose their license to practice if they do stupid stuff. How are they supposed to live? "If you can't do the time...don't do the crime!"

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Yes.

Why?

The answers are simple. (1) Don't do stupid stuff that gets you a felony conviction and don't use illegal drugs, if you hope to have a chance of getting employment in an industry that has special trust attached. (2) If you can't control yourself and do the stupid stuff, get a job that doesn't directly affect the welfare and safety of people. As an aside, doctors, RN's and attorneys may lose their license to practice if they do stupid stuff. How are they supposed to live? "If you can't do the time...don't do the crime!"

A job that directly effects the welfare and safety of people? You mean like the people that weld and assemble the steel beams that go into high rises and other buildings? Or weld and assemble semi-trailers? Or process the food that people eat? Felons, registered sex offenders, etc work doing all those jobs.

 

[BE Mike]

Why?



A job that directly effects the welfare and safety of people? You mean like the people that weld and assemble the steel beams that go into high rises and other buildings? Or weld and assemble semi-trailers? Or process the food that people eat? Felons, registered sex offenders, etc work doing all those jobs.

Come on now. You are taking a big turn away from the original ideas. I suppose that it might be a good thing for some folks to defend people who have made big mistakes, but adults who do things, certainly are aware of the consequences. Yes, there are consequences for bad and foolish behavior.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Come on now. You are taking a big turn away from the original ideas. I suppose that it might be a good thing for some folks to defend people who have made big mistakes, but adults who do things, certainly are aware of the consequences. Yes, there are consequences for bad and foolish behavior.

A bit of a tangent, but you are the one who brought up "If you can't control yourself and do the stupid stuff, get a job that doesn't directly affect the welfare and safety of people." The examples I mentioned fit that. And yes I believe that actions have consequences. I also believe that if someone does a crime and gets convicted, once they do their time they should be released as free men and be unrestricted by govt interference due to their past misdeeds. At least ones unrelated to their profession.

 

[JettaKnight]

Why?

If you don't know, then you haven't been paying attention to society and my explanation of the evils of narcotics won't help.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

If you don't know, then you haven't been paying attention to society and my explanation of the evils of narcotics won't help.

I've been paying attention to society, I'm just wondering why you think it would be preferable to have a EMT that is a raging alcoholic, who gets ****faced every night and comes in hung over, compared to a guy who relaxes on his day off with some marijuana or other illicit substance and comes in sober with no hangover. Or a guy who is on legal narcotics or other drugs in the form of a prescription and is on them while working.

 

[BE Mike]

A bit of a tangent, but you are the one who brought up "If you can't control yourself and do the stupid stuff, get a job that doesn't directly affect the welfare and safety of people." The examples I mentioned fit that. And yes I believe that actions have consequences. I also believe that if someone does a crime and gets convicted, once they do their time they should be released as free men and be unrestricted by govt interference due to their past misdeeds. At least ones unrelated to their profession.

Your examples (jobs where you don't come in contact with people) don't DIRECTLY affect the health and safety of people. And apparently you don't believe in early release for good behavior, etc. where one gets paroled and has restrictions? I don't see the restrictions placed on ex-cons as government interference.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I've been paying attention to society, I'm just wondering why you think it would be preferable to have a EMT that is a raging alcoholic, who gets ****faced every night and comes in hung over, compared to a guy who relaxes on his day off with some marijuana or other illicit substance and comes in sober with no hangover. Or a guy who is on legal narcotics or other drugs in the form of a prescription and is on them while working.

Having had both raging alcoholics and addicts (crack and meth) in my life, I can say without hesitation that there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two except that one drug of choice is legal and the others are not. The addiction and the behaviors of those addicted to them are the same.

 

[KLB]

Having had both raging alcoholics and addicts (crack and meth) in my life, I can say without hesitation that there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two except that one drug of choice is legal and the others are not. The addiction and the behaviors of those addicted to them are the same.

Alcohol is often a gateway drug to the illegal ones too.

 

[BE Mike]

Having had both raging alcoholics and addicts (crack and meth) in my life, I can say without hesitation that there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two except that one drug of choice is legal and the others are not. The addiction and the behaviors of those addicted to them are the same.

Some of the smartest people I ever knew were alcoholics. It takes a lot of grey matter to be able to remember all those lies.

 

[JettaKnight]

Regardless, I consider an abuse of drugs (legal or illegal) to be more of a threat than someone on the sex offender list w/o knowing any details about how and when he or she went on the list.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Regardless, I consider an abuse of drugs (legal or illegal) to be more of a threat than someone on the sex offender list w/o knowing any details about how and when he or she went on the list.

Ah, I think I misunderstood your original statement (that Timjoebillybob was replying to) to mean that an alcoholic was less egregious than a drug addict. Depending on the details, I would tend to agree that they (alcoholics or addicts) could be more of a threat than someone on the sex offender list.