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  • JTScribe

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    I can see that one being arguable both ways. I guess I thought of Roof as being more NUTS along the lines of Charles Manson and I never considered him to be really right or left. I guess I classified him as a drug addled racist ******* and I don't know that's the right or the left has a monopoly on those. That said, I would agree that their motivations for wanting to start a race war were different and that Roof was overtly hostile to black folks whereas the helter-skelter people were more just bat **** crazy.

    His Wiki page supports your assertions more than it does Kut's. His seems to be more a case of possible mental illness coupled with drug abuse. And even if he officially became a member of the KKK, Kut, that's hardly a 'right-wing' organization, based both on it's founding history and some of it's past senior membership (cough Byrd cough).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof


    According to a 2009 affidavit filed for Mann's divorce, Roof exhibited "obsessive compulsive behavior" as he grew up, obsessing over germs and insisting on having his hair cut in a certain style.[18] When he was in middle school, he exhibited an interest in smoking marijuana, having once been caught spending money on it.[16]


    In nine years, Roof attended at least seven schools in two South Carolina counties, including White Knoll High School in Lexington, in which he repeated the ninth grade, finishing it in another school. He apparently stopped attending classes in 2010 and, according to his family, dropped out of school and spent his time alternating between playing video games and taking drugs, such as Suboxone.[16][17][18][23][24][25] He was on the rolls of a local Evangelical Lutheran congregation.[26]


    Prior to the attack, Roof was living alternately in Bennett's and Cowles' homes in downtown Columbia and Hopkins, respectively,[19][27][28] but was mostly raised by his stepmother Mann.[18] For several weeks preceding the attack, Roof had also been occasionally living in the home of an old friend from middle school and the latter's mother, two brothers, and girlfriend.[20][28][29] He allegedly spent his time using drugs and getting drunk.[28] He had been working as a landscaper at the behest of his father, but quit the job prior to the shooting.[16]
     

    IndyDave1776

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    "Our" hands are dirty for allowing our dialogue to degrade to the point where people believe talking is wasted effort.

    Paul, I have to disagree with this. A more civil political climate would be very nice, but talking is a wasted effort when we stand on the side of a society established by our founding documents, based on ideas of the far older society whence we came and we are confronted with a significant plurality of revolutionaries willing to accept no outcome other than completely destroying that society in favor of something entirely different in which not only can they live their way (with many elements I find thoroughly twisted) in the general absence of liberty other free expression of their sexual proclivities, but will also not accept any conditions other than forcing the rest of us to live as they choose. My family was represented in the Revolutionary War for the purpose of defending the right to self-determination and liberty, and I will stop short of crossing the line with the rules by pointing out that Yours Truly absolutely will NOT live on his knees.
     

    Trigger Time

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    You'd lose the bet.
    MmmmmK. Keep believing your own set of facts. The rest of us will believe the truth and know what's going on. You do too but won't admit it for whatever reason. Just like the ones not admitting that the left is radical and uses violence to get what they want. I just shake my head and keep loading mags for self defense if needed.
     

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    Paul, I have to disagree with this. A more civil political climate would be very nice, but talking is a wasted effort when we stand on the side of a society established by our founding documents, based on ideas of the far older society whence we came and we are confronted with a significant plurality of revolutionaries willing to accept no outcome other than completely destroying that society in favor of something entirely different in which not only can they live their way (with many elements I find thoroughly twisted) in the general absence of liberty other free expression of their sexual proclivities, but will also not accept any conditions other than forcing the rest of us to live as they choose. My family was represented in the Revolutionary War for the purpose of defending the right to self-determination and liberty, and I will stop short of crossing the line with the rules by pointing out that Yours Truly absolutely will NOT live on his knees.

    I am not an ideologue. I tend to side with conservatives on most governance issues, but only because I think they trade in better governance ideas than the left.

    I think you and I are speaking more about social politics, though...and there I tend to lean markedly to the left. I am a Live and Let Live individualist. I think one of the greatest things about America is that we are not a bland hegemony. Personally, I think people should be allowed to do literally whatever they want on their own property so long as it doesn't run afoul of the rights and consent of any others involved.

    I am sort of a traveller between worlds in some ways, in that I frequent many liberal-leaning media outlets for their coverage of social issues important to me while also frequenting many conservative media outlets for their coverage of news and governance. There is something I have noticed about both crowds that I find striking: Both groups are ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that the "other side" wants to force them to live in some other way than they choose for themselves, while claiming all the while that they, themselves, only want to be left alone to live the way they want. Both groups are seemingly blind to the fact they the behaviors in which they engage are largely to blame for the way they are viewed.

    If we all just want to be left alone to live life how we want, why not work together to reach that goal? We would have to be willing to work together on "unsavory" issues...we might have to learn to care less about the abortions they have if we realistically want them to care less about the guns we have.

    I think, if we are willing to cooperate, even our divided society can make progress on this, and it all starts with talking.
     

    Trigger Time

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    Paul I totally agree with your second paragraph except the leaning left part. I think your own property is your own kingdom. If you aren't harming another person then do as you wish and if people consent to whatever you do to them on your own property then so be it. You want to make and shoot machine guns on your own property I think you should be able to if it's safe. The laws in this country are not what the founders of the republic intended and the government has conditioned the people to be reliant on it and less independent. People from big cities who don't travel outside of the bubble literally have no idea what freedom is and tend to ask permission first.
     

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    MmmmmK. Keep believing your own set of facts. The rest of us will believe the truth and know what's going on. You do too but won't admit it for whatever reason. Just like the ones not admitting that the left is radical and uses violence to get what they want. I just shake my head and keep loading mags for self defense if needed.


    Well, this is what you said:

    id bet money that was done by people who did not vote for trump and wanted to push their agenda of racism. People don't want to lose their free ****.
    Just like the Jews who attacked fellow Jews and vandalized Jewish graves. Wasn't trump people

    Any one of the lawyers on this site could probably tell you what is wrong with your "bet". In English, conjunctions are important.
     
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    I am not an ideologue. I tend to side with conservatives on most governance issues, but only because I think they trade in better governance ideas than the left.

    I think you and I are speaking more about social politics, though...and there I tend to lean markedly to the left. I am a Live and Let Live individualist. I think one of the greatest things about America is that we are not a bland hegemony. Personally, I think people should be allowed to do literally whatever they want on their own property so long as it doesn't run afoul of the rights and consent of any others involved.

    I am sort of a traveller between worlds in some ways, in that I frequent many liberal-leaning media outlets for their coverage of social issues important to me while also frequenting many conservative media outlets for their coverage of news and governance. There is something I have noticed about both crowds that I find striking: Both groups are ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that the "other side" wants to force them to live in some other way than they choose for themselves, while claiming all the while that they, themselves, only want to be left alone to live the way they want. Both groups are seemingly blind to the fact they the behaviors in which they engage are largely to blame for the way they are viewed.

    If we all just want to be left alone to live life how we want, why not work together to reach that goal? We would have to be willing to work together on "unsavory" issues...we might have to learn to care less about the abortions they have if we realistically want them to care less about the guns we have.

    I think, if we are willing to cooperate, even our divided society can make progress on this, and it all starts with talking.

    Nicely stated. Good observations. The God of Balance approves....


    Also anymore info on the truck shooting? Leads?
     

    Dddrees

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    I am not an ideologue. I tend to side with conservatives on most governance issues, but only because I think they trade in better governance ideas than the left.

    I think you and I are speaking more about social politics, though...and there I tend to lean markedly to the left. I am a Live and Let Live individualist. I think one of the greatest things about America is that we are not a bland hegemony. Personally, I think people should be allowed to do literally whatever they want on their own property so long as it doesn't run afoul of the rights and consent of any others involved.

    I am sort of a traveller between worlds in some ways, in that I frequent many liberal-leaning media outlets for their coverage of social issues important to me while also frequenting many conservative media outlets for their coverage of news and governance. There is something I have noticed about both crowds that I find striking: Both groups are ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that the "other side" wants to force them to live in some other way than they choose for themselves, while claiming all the while that they, themselves, only want to be left alone to live the way they want. Both groups are seemingly blind to the fact they the behaviors in which they engage are largely to blame for the way they are viewed.

    If we all just want to be left alone to live life how we want, why not work together to reach that goal? We would have to be willing to work together on "unsavory" issues...we might have to learn to care less about the abortions they have if we realistically want them to care less about the guns we have.

    I think, if we are willing to cooperate, even our divided society can make progress on this, and it all starts with talking.

    Yeah it sure would be nice if we didn't have to impose our beliefs on others especially when those actions have little or no impact on us. Didn't work so well when our country decided to make alcohol illegal I don't see why we have to keep going there. I find homosexuals wrong so you can't be one. I find abortion repugnant so you can't have one. I'd much rather pay for your unwanted baby so I'll force it upon you.
     

    Alpo

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    Sure, he confused two different anti-trump false flags. Don't know how that really hurts his point since both apparently did actually happen.

    I don't dispute that two things happened. I posted a pic of the church fire supporting the out of state event. As to Indiana, there is a little gay organist outside of Nashville IN that regrets tagging his church. He DID NOT SET FIRE TO IT!

    You seem to equate both items in your comment. I do not. It's not correct and we would upbraid the media for an article that said the organist set fire to the church when he did not. Why should we hold anyone here to a lesser standard?

    Because it's the "internet" and inherently wrong and imprecise?
     
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    His Wiki page supports your assertions more than it does Kut's. His seems to be more a case of possible mental illness coupled with drug abuse. And even if he officially became a member of the KKK, Kut, that's hardly a 'right-wing' organization, based both on it's founding history and some of it's past senior membership (cough Byrd cough).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof


    According to a 2009 affidavit filed for Mann's divorce, Roof exhibited "obsessive compulsive behavior" as he grew up, obsessing over germs and insisting on having his hair cut in a certain style.[18] When he was in middle school, he exhibited an interest in smoking marijuana, having once been caught spending money on it.[16]


    In nine years, Roof attended at least seven schools in two South Carolina counties, including White Knoll High School in Lexington, in which he repeated the ninth grade, finishing it in another school. He apparently stopped attending classes in 2010 and, according to his family, dropped out of school and spent his time alternating between playing video games and taking drugs, such as Suboxone.[16][17][18][23][24][25] He was on the rolls of a local Evangelical Lutheran congregation.[26]


    Prior to the attack, Roof was living alternately in Bennett's and Cowles' homes in downtown Columbia and Hopkins, respectively,[19][27][28] but was mostly raised by his stepmother Mann.[18] For several weeks preceding the attack, Roof had also been occasionally living in the home of an old friend from middle school and the latter's mother, two brothers, and girlfriend.[20][28][29] He allegedly spent his time using drugs and getting drunk.[28] He had been working as a landscaper at the behest of his father, but quit the job prior to the shooting.[16]

    Yeah lets see, Dylan Roof:
    -Frequented and was influenced by a site called the Council of Conservative Citizens which was closed down shortly after the massacre, the site owner donated exclusively to Republicans.
    -Wanted a return to segregation
    -Ranted about Trayvon Martin, and the Baltimore Riots
    -Complained about immigration
    -admired the KKK and skinheads, white supremacy groups which are considered Far Right

    You're not going be able to pass off the bad actions of right-winger, by simply dismissing him as loon, when the politics of left-wing loons are cited during their bad actions. His actions were based solely on a political ideology that was Far Right Conservatism. And it is willful ignorance to not admit that members of the KKK, in any incarnation or from any time, were/are far right in their beliefs.
     

    SSGSAD

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    We will be up on the Madison Ave. overpass (465, southside) tomorrow from 11am - 1pm. This is a Pro-Trump rally. Could get interesting. The Overpasses for America Indiana Chapter is requesting people openly carry because some of their members feel threatened.

    I fully expect our right to peaceably assemble to be respected.

    Wish I'd known about this earlier .....

    I could have stopped by, and said Hi .....
     

    KellyinAvon

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    Ok, this picture from phone to website is still a bit strange to me. The top one was by me, the bottom one was when my wife drove by. I got flipped off 13 times but only 1 was on the overpass, the other 12 were driving under. I'd say 100:1 positive. In case anyone is wondering, I'm in the bottom picture, Old Glory, desert floppy cap and an OD green INGO t-shirt. If you're not wondering, I'm in the bottom picture, Old Glory, desert floppy cap and an OD green INGO t-shirt :D
     

    JTScribe

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    Yeah lets see, Dylan Roof:
    -Frequented and was influenced by a site called the Council of Conservative Citizens which was closed down shortly after the massacre, the site owner donated exclusively to Republicans.
    -Wanted a return to segregation
    -Ranted about Trayvon Martin, and the Baltimore Riots
    -Complained about immigration
    -admired the KKK and skinheads, white supremacy groups which are considered Far Right

    You're not going be able to pass off the bad actions of right-winger, by simply dismissing him as loon, when the politics of left-wing loons are cited during their bad actions. His actions were based solely on a political ideology that was Far Right Conservatism. And it is willful ignorance to not admit that members of the KKK, in any incarnation or from any time, were/are far right in their beliefs.

    It wasn't a Republican former Klan member that used the N-word on national television. The former KKK member on the Supreme Court didn't belong to the Grand Old Party.

    It wasn't Republicans that filibustered the Civil Rights Act . . . but we apparently don't care enough about certain 'races', so that means we're racist. Got it. It's always about how you feel about something, rather than what can be done about something. The President won awards from the NAACP for his actions to help the minority community, but now that he's out of the closet as a Republican, he might as well have been wearing a white sheet the whole time, eh?

    And these are recent examples. You have to back almost a century to find major GOP members in office with Klan membership - Jackson, Morley, etc. David Duke switched from Democrat to Republican, but he was ostracized by the GOP establishment at every turn. He's a joke. As opposed to Robert Byrd, who was a beloved Senator by his DNC fellows.

    And if you can't see the difference between a drugged-out loser kid like Roof and an older guy who has lived a successful and productive life deciding to become a sniper, then the everpresent chip on your shoulder has overwhelmed your capacity for reason and there's no real point in discussing the issue with you.
     

    Alpo

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    JT: I think the "error" I see in many of these discussions is that "the left" is oft-times used on INGO synonymously with "Democrats", yet the same individuals disclaim "the far right" "alt-right" "fascism" when defining their Republican brethren.

    You seem to allow mental illness in "the left" but fail to recognize that mental illness affects human beings regardless of party.

    Mental illness and extremism are not a desirable combination.
     
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