Donald J. Trump. Messiah? Poopiehead? Discuss...

[jamil]

I may need eye bleach.

 

[bmbutch]

I suppose that I should point out that your raising issues concerning his deficiencies doesn't have much impact on me because I was well aware of his deficiencies before he became a candidate. I can accept these things so long as he maintains his lifelong belief that his personal well-being rests on the well-being of the United States, not the United Nations, and acts accordingly. I can tolerate some locker room banter although I don't approve. I can tolerate his oversized ego. I will grant you that it bothered me more with Obama, but then again, it is more difficult to overlook such things in a sworn enemy. I can tolerate the fact that he is dancing like a hippopotamus. This is to be expected from an outsider, and one of his strongest virtues is that he is an outsider with no loyalties to the swamp. Accepting these things was the cost of having a candidate not beholden to the swamp. No, I don't like accepting them, but I do.

Oh, and as for Charlotte, I have no problem with condemning all thugs equally, regardless of the fact that one set of them are considered pariah while the other set are media darlings.

Tried to rep, but got the spread it around Message. I post infrequently on these threads, seem to struggle putting thoughts into words. IndyDave1776 doesn't seem to have that issue. Quoted post is exactly where I stand.

 

[churchmouse]

Tried to rep, but got the spread it around Message. I post infrequently on these threads, seem to struggle putting thoughts into words. IndyDave1776 doesn't seem to have that issue. Quoted post is exactly where I stand.

You should sit down and talk with him FTF sometimes. Very enlightening.

I have come to believe that no matter what DJT does it will be vilified in some way by the progressives and the MSM spinning heads.
Take a walk in the park.....he did not walk long enough nor did he seek out the homeless cup holder and drop spare change.
Take a long walk and find the cup guy to donate spare change......No matter. He walked to long shirking his POTUS duty's and only gave the beggar some loose change.

No matter what he does or says he will be lampooned/vilified/jeered and just hated in general.

He was voted in on the platform he is working to accomplish. He knew those who stood to loose would be vocal. I do not think any of us saw this insanity coming.

 

[Dddrees]

You should sit down and talk with him FTF sometimes. Very enlightening.

I have come to believe that no matter what DJT does it will be vilified in some way by the progressives and the MSM spinning heads.
Take a walk in the park.....he did not walk long enough nor did he seek out the homeless cup holder and drop spare change.
Take a long walk and find the cup guy to donate spare change......No matter. He walked to long shirking his POTUS duty's and only gave the beggar some loose change.

No matter what he does or says he will be lampooned/vilified/jeered and just hated in general.

He was voted in on the platform he is working to accomplish. He knew those who stood to loose would be vocal. I do not think any of us saw this insanity coming.

So you don't recognize or agree that DJT might have just a few serious flaws? issues? Problems? warning signs? Etc?

 

[jamil]

So you don't recognize or agree that DJT might have just a few serious flaws? issues? Problems? warning signs? Etc?

You don't recognize that the press obsesses over Trump and invents negativity out of nothing? They reported on his ice cream portion, for crying out loud!

And just because CM pointed out that very nature of the #resistance, doesn't mean he doesn't recognize the flaws. It's as Indy Dave said, most people who voted for DJT knew about the flaws. I did. Yeah he's a very flawed president. I voted for him because all those flaws weigh on my decision as less important than the general direction of the pendulum. If the Democrats run another socialist progressive ideologue, I'll vote for that flawed individual again. That I'd vote for a guy with as many flaws as Trump is more an indicator of how much more horrible the alternative is.

So every time I read some new stupid thing Trump said, I think, yep. That's really stupid. I'm still not voting Democrat.

 

[churchmouse]

So you don't recognize or agree that DJT might have just a few serious flaws? issues? Problems? warning signs? Etc?

Do we not all have some flaws.
Are there not issues with every person sitting in a seat of power right now.

Yes. He is not a perfect politician. But no one achieves the level of success he has with out being a bit self serving and sport a huge ego.

We do not get a clear picture of the man for the reasons I list. He will not get a fair shake regardless. period.
Some of the media hype is so twisted to fit the narrative of hate. It is becoming almost laughable. I see this as one of the root causes of the growing hatred and division in this country.

I have stated recently that I will no longer march to anybody's drum beat but my own. The party line has zero to do with my world view's anymore. The system has become a bloated malignant tumor. It sucks the very life out of this country. And he have allowed this to fester. We as the electorate marching in lock step and pulling a single lever. That is what put us here having these debates.
We the people want this crap to halt. That is the main reason DJT sits in the big boy chair. He campaigned on "REAL" hope and change. Not the bags of hot air that "O" put out with no intentions. DJT is acting on his promises. In this he is being vilified and slandered. What did you all expect....more of the same. Seriously. I saw through "O" from the 1st words out of his pie hole. I saw DJT for what he was as well. They both delivered as I expected.

I am looking at this whole thing from outside any affiliations besides the one I have to the 2 documents that started this whole thing rolling. You know the 2 I speak of. They are not living things as the progressives/left would have us think. They are legal and binding documents that set up the Gov. that has lost sight of why they exist. DJT was elected to try and put at least some of this madness back on track. I would say you ans so many others do not see this for what it is or you do not want to loose the Gov. teet. Change hurts. It is supposed to. We need serious change. And we need it now.

 

[KLB]

So you don't recognize or agree that DJT might have just a few serious flaws? issues? Problems? warning signs? Etc?

Dude, your constant twisting of people's words is getting rather old.

 

[Dddrees]

Do we not all have some flaws.
Are there not issues with every person sitting in a seat of power right now.

Yes. He is not a perfect politician. But no one achieves the level of success he has with out being a bit self serving and sport a huge ego.

We do not get a clear picture of the man for the reasons I list. He will not get a fair shake regardless. period.
Some of the media hype is so twisted to fit the narrative of hate. It is becoming almost laughable. I see this as one of the root causes of the growing hatred and division in this country.

I have stated recently that I will no longer march to anybody's drum beat but my own. The party line has zero to do with my world view's anymore. The system has become a bloated malignant tumor. It sucks the very life out of this country. And he have allowed this to fester. We as the electorate marching in lock step and pulling a single lever. That is what put us here having these debates.
We the people want this crap to halt. That is the main reason DJT sits in the big boy chair. He campaigned on "REAL" hope and change. Not the bags of hot air that "O" put out with no intentions. DJT is acting on his promises. In this he is being vilified and slandered. What did you all expect....more of the same. Seriously. I saw through "O" from the 1st words out of his pie hole. I saw DJT for what he was as well. They both delivered as I expected.

I am looking at this whole thing from outside any affiliations besides the one I have to the 2 documents that started this whole thing rolling. You know the 2 I speak of. They are not living things as the progressives/left would have us think. They are legal and binding documents that set up the Gov. that has lost sight of why they exist. DJT was elected to try and put at least some of this madness back on track. I would say you ans so many others do not see this for what it is or you do not want to loose the Gov. teet. Change hurts. It is supposed to. We need serious change. And we need it now.

We may need a correction but I don't see throwing the baby out with the bath water because that's the kind of thing he's trying to achieve. He doesn't have anyone else's best interest at heart but his own. Not that some other politicians aren't similiar but this petty little man has never shown he has any interest in anyone else but himself and the way he's going about it is most certainly and extremely selfish,

If you so dearly hold that document you say so dear and near to your heart do you wish to see it destroyed? Because if Trump had his choice I most certainly think he would. Thank G** we have the protections and divisions of power we do or he would have thrown it out 6 months ago. In the meantime he'll be doing just as much as he can to destroy whatever he can that serves himself and his needs.

 

[Dddrees]

Dude, your constant twisting of people's words is getting rather old.

Maybe be it could have been expressed better but it was in fact a question.

 

[KLB]

Maybe be it could have been expressed better but it was in fact a question.

A question that had no bearing on what was in the post you quoted.

In this case you learned well from the media. You didn't question what he said. You questioned what he didn't say. Plus you assumed a point from that lack of statement.

 

[churchmouse]

We may need a correction because I don't see throwing the baby out with the bath water because that's the kind of thing he's trying to achieve. He doesn't have anyone else's best interest at heart but his own. Not that some other politicians aren't similiar but this petty little man has never shown he has any interest in anyone else but himself and the way he's going about it is most certainly and extremely selfish,

If you so dearly hold that document you say so dear and near to your heart do you wish to see it destroyed? Because if Trump had his choice I most certainly think he would. Thank G** we have the protections and divisions of power we do or he would have thrown it out 6 months ago. In the meantime he'll be doing just as much as he can to destroy whatever he can that serves himself and his needs.

I see you are blind in this as well. Your views and opinions are so off that it is becoming tiring. They all need to go home and let us fill the chairs with fresh faces. How is that not "Draining the swamp" which is what the man stated was his purpose. How is this self serving. Are you not paying any attention.

You name me 1 politician in modern times that did not come in average income and leave rich. It is the way of the machine. It is self serving in the clearest meaning of the term..

It is folks such as yourself that are the cause of the media hate sewing rhetoric. You eat it up by the spoonfuls.

How in the name of all that is clear and obvious is he destroying those documents. "O" would have them locked away never to be seen again if he could have. I have seen nothing to indicate what you say to be the case and I have been watching. Again, not as a fan.

It has now become obvious that you are not going to see anything clearly in this. Discussion with you is impossible.

Self interests......WTF man. What news/info outlets are you addicted to.

OK I am done. I have overlooked a lot.

 

[Brad69]

My wife will not let me set up a trailer at riot sites and sell supplies.
I would think You would sell out of shields, helmets, pepper spray ect.
She claims it would not be profitable?

I have decided on my uniform for riot action
Freddie Mercury leotard
Chain mail made out of beer tabs
old leather football helmet
shield made from the top of a "ninja turtle" sandbox cover
weapon bullwhip

Some INGO members are already prepared for riot action


Printcraft has a fur padding that cannot be defeated

Kut has a closets full of mesmerizing thongs

Ddrees will engage them in conversation and they will all run away!

 

[Dddrees]

I see you are blind in this as well. Your views and opinions are so off that it is becoming tiring. They all need to go home and let us fill the chairs with fresh faces. How is that not "Draining the swamp" which is what the man stated was his purpose. How is this self serving. Are you not paying any attention.

You name me 1 politician in modern times that did not come in average income and leave rich. It is the way of the machine. It is self serving in the clearest meaning of the term..

It is folks such as yourself that are the cause of the media hate sewing rhetoric. You eat it up by the spoonfuls.

How in the name of all that is clear and obvious is he destroying those documents. "O" would have them locked away never to be seen again if he could have. I have seen nothing to indicate what you say to be the case and I have been watching. Again, not as a fan.

It has now become obvious that you are not going to see anything clearly in this. Discussion with you is impossible.

Self interests......WTF man. What news/info outlets are you addicted to.

OK I am done. I have overlooked a lot.

You fail to see that I find you equally blind. This is a huge gap but one of opinion sir.

It has absolutely nothing to do with media outlets.

 

[churchmouse]

Trollish behavior is wearing a lot of us very thin.

 

[Dddrees]

I'm expressing my opinion. That I won't stop, but you may very well stop me from doing it here. That of course is your choice.

 

[churchmouse]

You fail to see that I find you equally blind. This is a huge gap but one of opinion sir.

I am starting to see you in the light so many others have stated. You enjoy stirring the pot and it is obvious from so many of your posts. I do not care what you see in me. It makes me no difference at all. I have made my statement. It is clear.

What does make an impact is how you muddy the waters thread to thread. We have had this before. It does not last long. Yes, I spend an inordinate amount of time in this. I see what others have said and this activity is becoming most tiring.

Believe as you will. That is your right. I will stand right next to you in defense of that right.

Somehow I do not see you doing the same.

 

[Brad69]

Dddress
Turn off CNN for a bit!
Go for a walk!
Try decaf!
Feel free to attack Printcraft or ATM they enjoy a good cyber fight!

 

[KLB]

I'm expressing my opinion. That I won't stop, but you may very well stop me from doing it here. That of course is your choice.

From my perspective, what you either don't get or choose to ignore is that the issue is not you expressing your opinion. The issue is you projecting opinions onto others or as I stated twisting people's words to fit whatever narrative you want them to.

I get that you are generally alone in your opinions, and that you have some strong opinions about some things. Just keep your posts to your opinions about issues or the President.

 

[Dddrees]

I am starting to see you in the light so many others have stated. You enjoy stirring the pot and it is obvious from so many of your posts. I do not care what you see in me. It makes me no difference at all. I have made my statement. It is clear.

What does make an impact is how you muddy the waters thread to thread. We have had this before. It does not last long. Yes, I spend an inordinate amount of time in this. I see what others have said and this activity is becoming most tiring.

Believe as you will. That is your right. I will stand right next to you in defense of that right.

Somehow I do not see you doing the same.

I understand and your right I've most definitely muddied the waters. But I think a great deal of that is because I am on the other side and I am equally if not more stubborn than some others but I am on the other side, My method or my words may also greatly add to that issue but that comes from a great depth of belief and passion. That doesn't make it right but in combination with that and my stance on the other side that just makes it stick out even more.

I recently tried to dial dial it back a bit but I won't ever stop asking the questions or sticking up for what I believe in. I just won't do it.

 

[Dddrees]

From my perspective, what you either don't get or choose to ignore is that the issue is not you expressing your opinion. The issue is you projecting opinions onto others or as I stated twisting people's words to fit whatever narrative you want them to.

I get that you are generally alone in your opinions, and that you have some strong opinions about some things. Just keep your posts to your opinions about issues or the President.

Point taken.

Actually changing how I am or doing things difrently harder to do.