Colin Kaepernick protests the Anthem

[Kutnupe14]

So, "white privilege" is normal human biases that every group has? Why are we mentioning it then? Everyone has that same "privilege" around their own group. I'm more concerned with institutional privilege, which has real impact on people, not "strange looks" or "hurt feelings". In the institutional realm, white people have zero privilege.

stop and frisk didn't happen 'eh?

 

[indiucky]

C'mon. There is such a thing. Not everyone strives to not care about race. And there are conditioned biases that we all either fight or disregard.

I think I see what you mean...On the negative side we have to buy expensive sun screen...But on the plus side our tattoos are generally more color spectrum diverse...

 

[indiucky]

Vanilla Ice was fake, and sucked, that's why he was run out of the business.

Hey Kut,

That wasn't very "nice, nice baby..."

(But true!!!)

 

[jamil]

Vanilla Ice was fake, and sucked, that's why he was run out of the business. Em had ridiculous talent. And of course there's the Beastie Boys, who well pre-date both, and were accepted almost from the start.

It's all fake.

 

[Liberty1916]

In the personal case you mentioned, why couldn't you fire that colored person? Saying simply they are "black" doesn't pass the smell test. There is no provision that I am aware that requires you to keep employed a person who isn't showing up to work because they are colored. So what was the real reason that person was not let go?

Just to get this out of the way: "colored person"?? Does anyone even talk like that anymore?

It was a fortune 500 company (I no longer work for them). You can't fire anyone in a large company without HR approval. She wouldn't approve it. My Director just said, "that's how things are". If it matters to the story, I did fire a black guy for company credit card fraud. They cared about that, I assume because it would be easy to defend against a lawsuit. Attendance issues? Not so much.

And by the way, the black guy with attendance issues, it wasn't coming in 10-15 mins late, it was consistent 1-2 hours late several times a week for several months as the problem dragged out. I followed all the HR procedures for verbal/written warnings, documented everything, and even changed his shift because during one of the warnings he broke down crying and said he had a son heading down the wrong path and was forced to drive him to school some mornings. After I changed his shift to one that didn't interfere with his personal life, he still continued to show up 1-2 hrs late consistently.

So, I went to HR and presented all the documentation and she kept trying to get me to "write him up one more time". Finally in exasperation, I said "you know he's already gotten his final written that says he will be terminated next time. What's the write up supposed to say? I'm going to really really fire you next time?" She got defensive and said "I'm just going to come out and say this: You can't fire him because he's black" She did also blather on about "lawsuits". Maybe this is the "soft bigotry of low expectations" that Bush kept talking about.

Whatever. I don't care if you think it passes the smell test or not. It happened. I bet if you were open to understanding things from other perspectives you'd find an entire world of examples like this. Most white people just move on and don't cry "racism" every time things don't go their way. Black privilege exists. Mocking real issues or countering with "but white privilege" doesn't change that.

 

[jamil]

What I've noticed on ingo, is that business owners and HR departments are idiots. Lots of people seem lose a job or missed a promotion because of the colored person. And despite the legal risks that entails, the owner or whomever is running HR seems it reasonable to tell the person why they were fired or weren't promoted. It's almost as if persons were model workers, and certainly not dismissed based on performance.

In the personal case you mentioned, why couldn't you fire that colored person? Saying simply they are "black" doesn't pass the smell test. There is no provision that I am aware that requires you to keep employed a person who isn't showing up to work because they are colored. So what was the real reason that person was not let go?

What about the accusations at Google by DeMore (or whatever his name was)? I've heard of employers telling their employees that they need to be more diverse. This sounds an awful lot like they're focusing more on hiring diverse (not white, not male) people. It's like saying it without saying it. As long as they don't make it too obvious what they're doing, they can get away with it. It's the same with any "preferred" race or class of people.

So, "white privilege" is normal human biases that every group has? Why are we mentioning it then? Everyone has that same "privilege" around their own group. I'm more concerned with institutional privilege, which has real impact on people, not "strange looks" or "hurt feelings". In the institutional realm, white people have zero privilege.

I don't think there's a good case that there's a legitimate institutional privilege based on race. In the above reply to Kut, I would not call that institutional. In other words, even in the case of Google, it's not institutional, because class discrimination isn't baked into laws and policies for the specific goal of promoting one race over another. Even with a company the size of Google, it's still an individual case which has an individual solution available.

So, if you don't get a loan because you're black and you can if you're white, that's white privilege. But it's against the law so it's not institutional. If you don't get hired because you're black, you should sue. Proving those things may be difficult, but that's an issue of the difficulty in proving such things.

 

[Liberty1916]

stop and frisk didn't happen 'eh?

Is it their policy to target blacks?

 

[jamil]

stop and frisk didn't happen 'eh?

I'm not a fan of stop and frisk. I think it does make it easier to target blacks, but that's not why I oppose it. If you're going to stop me and frisk me, you better have a reasonable suspicion that I've done something wrong, and don't just make **** up so you can fish for something.

Someone looking rough doens't make them criminals.

 

[Liberty1916]

So, if you don't get a loan because you're black and you can if you're white, that's white privilege. But it's against the law so it's not institutional. If you don't get hired because you're black, you should sue. Proving those things may be difficult, but that's an issue of the difficulty in proving such things.

I would agree with this statement. No one can ever prove it though. How would anyone know why a white guy got a loan and a black guy didn't? We need objective stats (by the way, they exist for the loan industry) Crying (not directed at you) "white privilege" doesn't mean anything. Institutional, not just social, black privilege, is easily proven to exist.

 

[SSGSAD]

Just saw this shift on the part of the NFL on the news. Plummeting in the polls and from what I understand in the Nielsen Ratings drove the shift in policy. The Nielsen Ratings determine how much is paid per minute for commercial air time. Ratings drop = revenue drop. IMHO that's what got ultimately Roger Goodell's attention.

John

ALWAYS, follow the MONEY !!!!!

 

[SSGSAD]

Good luck getting that to work. Players are still going to kneel, and private donations will probably pay their fines.

Then, LET the "Liberals" spend their MONEY .....

That means they'll have LESS, when it comes ELECTION TIME !!!!!

 

[jamil]

I would agree with this statement. No one can ever prove it though. How would anyone know why a white guy got a loan and a black guy didn't? We need objective stats (by the way, they exist for the loan industry) Crying (not directed at you) "white privilege" doesn't mean anything. Institutional, not just social, black privilege, is easily proven to exist.

Stats by themselves doesn't prove causation. There has to be something to link them. I think it's case by case. If you're black, and you don't get a loan, and you're told it's because of your credit rating, and your credit rating is in the "good" range and higher than a white guy who got a similar loan, maybe you can build a case from that.

If you're a black guy and you didn't get a loan, and your credit score is 352, maybe you should spend your time improving your credit and less time blaming "the system".

 

[SSGSAD]

The NFL's calling a owners meeting to discuss the issue.
NFL is losing a crapload of $$$$ as the stock worth is plummeting not only the NFL partners are hurting Comcast,CBS,FOX,ESPN ect.

See post # 2010 .....

 

[SSGSAD]

Well, you're federal employee. There's a pretty significant different for jobs in the public and private sectors.[/QUOTE

Ok, let me try a different approach. I work at (fill in the blank) and if I pulled some political crap like this during work hours (and maybe even outside of work, depending on the level of douchebaggery), I'd be out the door.

See how that works?

When I was in the Military, the first thing we were taught, was

DO NOT wear your Uniform, TO ANYTHING, POLITICAL ..... PERIOD .....

UCMJ, would be used to the FULLEST EXTENT .....

 

[SSGSAD]

+1
Morons Are Governing America.

YES, doesn't matter WHICH PARTY !!!!!

 

[SSGSAD]

I just read this on FB. It pretty much states why so many are leaving the the fan base.
You can nod in agreement or frown in disgust. That is your right.

This explains what the media does not seem to understand:
An open letter to the NFL players,

You graduated high school in 2011. Your teenage years were a struggle. You grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. Your mother was the leader of the family and worked tirelessly to keep a roof over your head and food on your plate. Academics were a struggle for you and your grades were mediocre at best. The only thing that made you stand out is you weighed 225 lbs and could run 40 yards in 4.2 seconds while carrying a football. Your best friend was just like you, except he didn’t play football. Instead of going to football practice after school, he went to work at McDonalds for minimum wage. You were recruited by all the big colleges and spent every weekend of your senior year making visits to universities where coaches and boosters tried to convince you their school was best. They laid out the red carpet for you. Your best friend worked double shifts at Mickey D’s. College was not an option for him. On the day you signed with Big State University, your best friend signed paperwork with his Army recruiter. You went to summer workouts. He went to basic training.
You spent the next four years living in the athletic dorm, eating at the training table. You spent your Saturdays on the football field, cheered on by adoring fans. Tutors attended to your every academic need. You attended class when you felt like it. Sure, you worked hard. You lifted weights, ran sprints, studied plays, and soon became one of the top football players in the country. Your best friend was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division. While you were in college, he deployed to Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. He became a Sergeant and led a squad of 19 year old soldiers who grew up just like he did. He shed his blood in Afghanistan and watched young American's give their lives, limbs, and innocence for the USA.
You went to the NFL combine and scored off the charts. You hired an agent and waited for draft day. You were drafted in the first round and your agent immediately went to work, ensuring that you received the most money possible. You signed for $16 million although you had never played a single down of professional football. Your best friend re-enlisted in the Army for four more years. As a combat tested sergeant, he will be paid $32,000 per year.
You will drive a Ferrari on the streets of South Beach. He will ride in the back of a Blackhawk helicopter with 10 other combat loaded soldiers. You will sleep at the Ritz. He will dig a hole in the ground and try to sleep. You will “make it rain” in the club. He will pray for rain as the temperature reaches 120 degrees.
On Sunday, you will run into a stadium as tens of thousands of fans cheer and yell your name. For your best friend, there is little difference between Sunday and any other day of the week. There are no adoring fans. There are only people trying to kill him and his soldiers. Every now and then, he and his soldiers leave the front lines and “go to the rear” to rest. He might be lucky enough to catch an NFL game on TV. When the National Anthem plays and you take a knee, he will jump to his feet and salute the television While you protest the unfairness of life in the United States, he will give thanks to God that he has the honor of defending his great country.
To the players of the NFL: We are the people who buy your tickets, watch you on TV, and wear your jerseys. We anxiously wait for Sundays so we can cheer for you and marvel at your athleticism. Although we love to watch you play, we care little about your opinions until you offend us. You have the absolute right to express yourselves, but we have the absolute right to boycott you. We have tolerated your drug use and DUIs, your domestic violence, and your vulgar displays of wealth. We should be ashamed for putting our admiration of your physical skills before what is morally right. But now you have gone too far. You have insulted our flag, our country, our soldiers, our police officers, and our veterans. You are living the American dream, yet you disparage our great country. I am done with NFL football and encourage all like minded Americans to boycott the NFL as well.

Whoever wrote this,

IS 100% RIGHT .....

THANK YOU .....

 

[actaeon277]

^^^^This. I'm a federal employee (gasp) and if I pulled some political crap like this during work hours (and maybe even outside of work, depending on the level of douchebaggery), I'd be out the door.

Oh no.
It's the Feds.

 

[femurphy77]

Vanilla Ice was fake, and sucked, that's why he was run out of the business. Em had ridiculous talent. And of course there's the Beastie Boys, who well pre-date both, and were accepted almost from the start.

The Beastie Boys are white!!???

Never seen 'em but do enjoy a couple of their "songs"!

 

[femurphy77]

Hey Kut,

That wasn't very "nice, nice baby..."

(But true!!!)

BOOOO!!

 

[jamil]

Hey Kut,

That wasn't very "nice, nice baby..."

(But true!!!)

BOOOO!!

Just be glad he didn't post the video.