Multiple people shot in Manhattan.

[Route 45]

If you're going to apply the analogy, then apply the right attributes. You don't get to dictate what each Muslim believes. Individuals decide that for themselves. The foundation is what the person actually believes, not what you believe the person believes. Saying all Muslims are incompatible with Western culture because you insist they all have the same foundation is not a logical conclusion. Do all Christians have the same foundation as Westboro Baptist Church? I think nearly all Christians who aren't members of that church would disagree.

I'm not dictating what Muslims believe. They are free to embrace or ignore the insane ramblings of their violent, pedophile warlord prophet. Changing the plain meaning of the words in the book through "interpretation" doesn't change the words. The foundation is rotten. Period.

Please point to the part of my post where I said that all "Muslims" are incompatible. I think I made it very clear that it is Islam itself that is incompatible. "Muslims" run the gamut in their "beliefs," but that doesn't change what the instruction manual says. I can call myself a biker all day long, even if all I've got is a black Sturgis T-shirt and a moped in the garage.

It's my understanding that the Old Testament doesn't really apply to Christians, so I'm not sure where the foundation is for the Westboro Baptist Church. I can see damn well where the foundation is in the Quran for slaying the infidels.

 

[jamil]

I'm not dictating what Muslims believe. They are free to embrace or ignore the insane ramblings of their violent, pedophile warlord prophet. Changing the plain meaning of the words in the book through "interpretation" doesn't change the words. The foundation is rotten. Period.

Please point to the part of my post where I said that all "Muslims" are incompatible. I think I made it very clear that it is Islam itself that is incompatible. "Muslims" run the gamut in their "beliefs," but that doesn't change what the instruction manual says. I can call myself a biker all day long, even if all I've got is a black Sturgis T-shirt and a moped in the garage.

It's my understanding that the Old Testament doesn't really apply to Christians, so I'm not sure where the foundation is for the Westboro Baptist Church. I can see damn well where the foundation is in the Quran for slaying the infidels.

I guess then, that you'd think Jews have a particular foundation too then.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

It's my understanding that the Old Testament doesn't really apply to Christians

Not really a topic for this thread but I’d be curious as to everybody’s thoughts on how the Old Testament applies to us today.

Moving the discussion to the other thread.

 

[indiucky]

Not really a topic for this thread but I’d be curious as to everybody’s thoughts on how the Old Testament applies to us today.

Moving the discussion to the other thread.

It is the foundation for Western Law....

 

[jamil]

Not really a topic for this thread but I’d be curious as to everybody’s thoughts on how the Old Testament applies to us today.

Moving the discussion to the other thread.

Eh. I really don't want to get involved in the other thread.

 

[Route 45]

I guess then, that you'd think Jews have a particular foundation too then.

Not sure there is a current, worldwide problem with terrorism based on the foundation of Judaism.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Eh. I really don't want to get involved in the other thread.

Fair enough

 

[jamil]

Not sure there is a current, worldwide problem with terrorism based on the foundation of Judaism.

So the problem isn't the foundation, but what the people actually believe?

 

[ChristianPatriot]

It is the foundation for Western Law....

Voddie Baucham has a great quote that goes something like, “Modern Christians think there is an eleventh commandment: Thou shalt be nice. And they don’t believe the other ten.”

 

[HoughMade]

...It's my understanding that the Old Testament doesn't really apply to Christians...

Someone had better let Jesus know.

Now, if you are talking about specific instructions given to specific people at a certain point in time....that's not really and Old Testament vs. New issue. That's just- they were told to do that. we weren't.

Voddie Baucham has a great quote that goes something like, “Modern Christians think there is an eleventh commandment: Thou shalt be nice. And they don’t believe the other ten.”

I loves me some Voddie Baucham.

 

[Route 45]

It is the foundation for Western Law....

How so? I don't see anything illegal except for stealing and killing. And those are quite illegal in countries without the ten commandments.
Curiously, rape is not in there. But don't say the big guy's name with a bad attitude.

 

[Route 45]

So the problem isn't the foundation, but what the people actually believe?

Why do so many believe it if there is no foundation? This is not a chicken v. egg type of scenario. All that follows comes from the book.

 

[Route 45]

Someone had better let Jesus know.

Now, if you are talking about specific instructions given to specific people at a certain point in time....that's not really and Old Testament vs. New issue. That's just- they were told to do that. we weren't.



I loves me some Voddie Baucham.

I'll defer to your expertise on the matter. I don't care enough to get into the matter that deeply. That was just my impression from what I've heard from various Christians.
Again, doesn't really matter. They are not the ones killing innocents in the streets for a religion.

 

[printcraft]

It's the lack of jobs or global warming.











My hand to allah it's true.

 

[Wolfhound]

How so? I don't see anything illegal except for stealing and killing. And those are quite illegal in countries without the ten commandments.
Curiously, rape is not in there. But don't say the big guy's name with a bad attitude.

That falls under number 7.........and possibly number 10.

 

[jamil]

Why do so many believe it if there is no foundation? This is not a chicken v. egg type of scenario. All that follows comes from the book.

I don't know. The modern Orthodox Jews seem to have figured out that some pretty violent stuff God, through various prophets, told them to do are no longer required of them to be faithful adherents. The point, again, is that the worry about incompatibility is more about the mainstream belief than the most literal interpretation of their holy book.

 

[Vigilant]

I understand the sentiment, but I'm not sold on it. If ALL immigration is merit based, then you're defaulting ALL immigration to first world nations and to the wealthy. I can assure you that many of our ancestors who came to America, would not have been allowed in if they were held to such scrutiny. I figure if youre a healthy person, with no criminal record, and a willingness to work that's all the merit needed.

Look into what it takes for an American to become a citizen of a third world country such as Costa Rica, or even Mexico? Why should we be ANY different?

 

[MCgrease08]

Not all Muslims are equal, just like not all Christians are equal, or atheists, or whatever. What makes one incompatible with American life is their behavior WRT our laws and customs. Certainly some Muslims may not be compatible--the ones who believe and act upon their beliefs that they should live in a caliphate are not compatible. But not all Muslims do that.

The problem with Islam is when those believers can be radicalized. Any religion or ideology has that problem. Antifa is a radicalized progressive example. A few radicalized Christian groups who participated in abortion clinic bombings are another example. But admittedly M.E. Islam is a particularly troublesome culture. It seems very prolific at radicalizing Muslims.

Fortunately we do have a thread for this discussion too.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-discussion/439859-what-radical-islamist.html

 

[foszoe]

This is an interesting dichotomy. I mean, in a sense, the issue is "what is Western"?

Turkey is another example I can think of. It is arguably more "Western" than Jordan, by history and culture. It is majority Muslim. It behaves about as well as any other non-EU member, and perhaps better than some. Its citizens are not particularly islamofascist.

Personally, my thoughts also move toward the Central Republics of the former USSR. Uzbekistan in particular was quite accommodating to us for a number of years.

Tell that to the patriarchate and the Christian theological centers that have been shuttered by the Turks.

 

[foszoe]

If you're going to apply the analogy, then apply the right attributes. You don't get to dictate what each Muslim believes. Individuals decide that for themselves. The foundation is what the person actually believes, not what you believe the person believes. Saying all Muslims are incompatible with Western culture because you insist they all have the same foundation is not a logical conclusion. Do all Christians have the same foundation as Westboro Baptist Church? I think nearly all Christians who aren't members of that church would disagree.

All Christians have the same foundation or they ain't Christian. The person decided foundation is post modernist