Any IMPD Detectives here?

[hoosierdoc]

Someone on a phone in an office somewhere.

Surely you’re not suggesting non-LEO office staff make determinations of what crimes to pursue

 

[Thegeek]

Identity and credit card theft? Call the State Police. If you're not satisfied, ask for a supervisor. They should take this very seriously....

 

[Denny347]

Identity and credit card theft? Call the State Police. If you're not satisfied, ask for a supervisor. They should take this very seriously....

Depends on the county. It does not matter WHO investigates, it is the Prosecutor's Office that screens the case for charges and determines what, if any, charges get filed. Like it or not, you can take these as serious as a heart attack only to have the screener turn you away without charges. How serious should we take a legit crime if we know that no charges are likely to be filed?

 

[Route 45]

Identity and credit card theft? Call the State Police. If you're not satisfied, ask for a supervisor. They should take this very seriously....

Well, bless your heart.

 

[churchmouse]

Surely you’re not suggesting non-LEO office staff make determinations of what crimes to pursue

Come on Doc. You know better.
911 takes the call. You have reported it. The chain of command kicks in.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Depends on the county. It does not matter WHO investigates, it is the Prosecutor's Office that screens the case for charges and determines what, if any, charges get filed. Like it or not, you can take these as serious as a heart attack only to have the screener turn you away without charges. How serious should we take a legit crime if we know that no charges are likely to be filed?

that’s our problem though. The system doesn’t care. Same with stolen pills (the rare time it’s actually true).

frustrsting when plenty of tax dollars are taken to deal with crime in places I don’t live committed by people I subsidize, but when i’m Directly affected i’m Told there’s nothing anyone will do about it

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Guess I should have added “care to investigate”. The way I see it the issues the police address should be the ones that the public feel are important. Fraud and identify theft are huge hassles. Pot smoking/growing is not. But look at the amount of resources given to the two.

If a citizen has a crime against us, where does the police/prosecutor have authority to refuse to investigate it? I understand there’s is more crime than investigators, but I don’t see efforts made to expand into areas we have needs. Granted, i’m Not paying all that close of attention, i’m Just hearing crickets when I report crimes that happen to me and it’s very irritating. It can be the difference between a Successful business And a failed business.

Does everyone who comes in the ER get equal amounts of attention and resources from you? Or do you, based on your experience, use your time, staff, and resources where it accomplishes the most? Do you have rules and guidelines you have to follow from your administration, legal department, applicable state laws?

Should I, with my outdated EMT certs, come and tell you how you're doing it wrong and what you should really focus on? I mean, I haven't been paying much attention to medical stuff but people are sick and hurt and you should be doing something. That's basically what you're doing to us.

There are cases I put in literally days of man-hours on. There are cases I make a phone call on and close out. You know why? You call it "triage". Same-same. Some cases are dead on arrival, there is nowhere to start and nothing remotely likely to result in a successful resolution. Other cases I can work and I run it down until it's successful or everything is done and there's nothing left to do, but I still don't have enough.

The odds of getting a conviction based solely on video of someone using a card depends very much on the quality of the video. Most isn't good enough for "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's not like we're saying "screw it, let criminals go free" any more than you're saying "screw it, let hurt/sick people die". Sometimes that's what happens, though.

 

[DRob]

One of the realities of being a LEO is that everybody else knows how to do the job better than you do. They know all your department policies and procedures. They know the law and they sure as hell know their ryeets!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Dis is gittin' good!


Don't mind me, I'm here for the lulz.

 

[2A_Tom]

Triage.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Guess I should have added “care to investigate”. The way I see it the issues the police address should be the ones that the public feel are important. Fraud and identify theft are huge hassles. Pot smoking/growing is not. But look at the amount of resources given to the two.

If a citizen has a crime against us, where does the police/prosecutor have authority to refuse to investigate it? I understand there’s is more crime than investigators, but I don’t see efforts made to expand into areas we have needs. Granted, i’m Not paying all that close of attention, i’m Just hearing crickets when I report crimes that happen to me and it’s very irritating. It can be the difference between a Successful business And a failed business.

If you think IMPD and MCPO give a crap about pot smoking/growing, you are misinformed. About the only time anyone gets excited about it is when the weight is in the multiple pounds. I'm all for legalizing it, I just don't want to be around people smoking it.

LE agencies won't devote the time and manpower to every single crime committed, so they pick and choose. I am constantly irked by detectives not investigating stolen vehicles, and the only time prosecution happens is when the driver flees in the vehicle. I have too been victim of someone hacking my debit card but didn't even bother to make a report because the bank refunded my money and I knew nothing would come of it. As with weed, only "big" cases with multiple victims seem to get the attention they deserve. Pay attention to the Prosecutor's Office in Marion County. They are notorious for no-filing cases that they don't think they can win, or the return doesn't meet the investment.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Me either though apparently that’s how it appeared. What is the proper term for those you report crime to?

You make the report to a patrol officer. A detective does the follow-up.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Identity and credit card theft? Call the State Police. If you're not satisfied, ask for a supervisor. They should take this very seriously....

If it doesn't involve a vehicle on the interstate, they aren't interested.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

that’s our problem though. The system doesn’t care. Same with stolen pills (the rare time it’s actually true).

frustrsting when plenty of tax dollars are taken to deal with crime in places I don’t live committed by people I subsidize, but when i’m Directly affected i’m Told there’s nothing anyone will do about it

IMPD has a prescription fraud unit that is very busy and puts a lot of cases on people. One of the Sgts is driving a newer Camaro convertible that was seized during an investigation.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Does everyone who comes in the ER get equal amounts of attention and resources from you? Or do you, based on your experience, use your time, staff, and resources where it accomplishes the most? Do you have rules and guidelines you have to follow from your administration, legal department, applicable state laws?

Should I, with my outdated EMT certs, come and tell you how you're doing it wrong and what you should really focus on? I mean, I haven't been paying much attention to medical stuff but people are sick and hurt and you should be doing something. That's basically what you're doing to us.

There are cases I put in literally days of man-hours on. There are cases I make a phone call on and close out. You know why? You call it "triage". Same-same. Some cases are dead on arrival, there is nowhere to start and nothing remotely likely to result in a successful resolution. Other cases I can work and I run it down until it's successful or everything is done and there's nothing left to do, but I still don't have enough.

The odds of getting a conviction based solely on video of someone using a card depends very much on the quality of the video. Most isn't good enough for "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's not like we're saying "screw it, let criminals go free" any more than you're saying "screw it, let hurt/sick people die". Sometimes that's what happens, though.

We see everyone. The sickest get the most resources but all who ask get some. Some get seen by a PA, others by an ER doc, some are admitted, most are discharged. Utilization of resources. There was a time we didn’t have enough people to do all the work, so we hired more . People need to be given a choice, pay more for the departments or let crime go unpunished.

I don’t see why it’s too much to ask to pursue crimes against lawful citizens. Maybe you don’t get a conviction. But you can get a warrant and search for stolen things and sometimes investigation by law enforcement might be enough to get someone to quit being a criminal. But when the common theme is that simple identity theft will never be prosecuted we’ll just get more and more of it. We already have tens of billions of dollars of it.

 

[hoosierdoc]

IMPD has a prescription fraud unit that is very busy and puts a lot of cases on people. One of the Sgts is driving a newer Camaro convertible that was seized during an investigation.

Then times have changed. And the civil forfeiture is another key point. Nothing to “acquire” on ID theft casss

 

[rhino]

I think if people were allowed to snaps the neck of someone who steals their identity or credit, there might be less of it. Not easy to find them, but after a few . . .

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I think if people were allowed to snaps the neck of someone who steals their identity or credit, there might be less of it. Not easy to find them, but after a few . . .

I have no issue with that.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

We see everyone. The sickest get the most resources but all who ask get some. Some get seen by a PA, others by an ER doc, some are admitted, most are discharged. Utilization of resources.

So not everyone gets the same response. Why are you not letting everyone see a doctor? Are you saying some people are more important than others? Some don't deserve a doctor? Are you so lazy and understaffed you can't get everyone who comes a doctor? I don't see why that's too much to ask instead of pawning it off on some PA. Isn't it Physician's Assistant, not Physician's Replacement? Just hire more doctors. Then everybody gets a better trained person to do their treatment, and maybe the doctor notices something a PA would miss and you save more lives.

More manpower would help, but we still have rules of probable cause we have to play by. There's obstacles you don't see or know anything about. Privacy is the buzzword these days, so I have to get a warrant of subpoena for video footage from banks and several other businesses. People are now convinced they have the right to privacy in public places, and companies are paranoid their customers will bolt if they find out they are giving info to the police about who was in the lobby last Thursday. They are backed up and drag their feet on compliance. Chase frequently asks for an extension because they can't comply in time. So I get video of somebody using an ATM maybe 60-90 days after the robbery AT BEST. I'm *still* waiting for ATM footage for a case from last November. You think that's fresh enough to justify a warrant for their house? A judge won't.

 

[hoosierdoc]

So not everyone gets the same response. Why are you not letting everyone see a doctor? Are you saying some people are more important than others? Some don't deserve a doctor? Are you so lazy and understaffed you can't get everyone who comes a doctor? I don't see why that's too much to ask instead of pawning it off on some PA. Isn't it Physician's Assistant, not Physician's Replacement? Just hire more doctors. Then everybody gets a better trained person to do their treatment, and maybe the doctor notices something a PA would miss and you save more

it’s up to the doc whether he sees the low acuity patient. But we review all the charts. This example is apples and oranges. If I need a form signed from my police department some staffer can do that, I don’t need a sworn officer. Who is your PA equivalent who handles and resolves “insignificant crimes”? We don’t ignore what we feel to be minor. We address it with the patient, offer our advice and do what we can. If they said “my toe hurts” and I said “yep, sorry, goodbye” then we could compare things. Our PA have degrees, are licensed, and carry malpractice insurance.

Thr point is we handle everything that patients throw at us and we resolve it to completion. Telling them “nah, that’s not worthy of our attention” is the analogy you’re Looking for. I don’t need SWAT to knock on a door of someone who stole my credit card, just like you don’t need an ER doc for a yeast infection.