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Good encounter with state LEO.
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And you shouldn't!!!!!!!!
Glad your encounter went okay. Next time ask the officer if they want to gag you. When they ask why tell them that they are already violating your 2nd and 4th Amendments. They may as well violate your 1st too.
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
kingnereli
Master
I don't tell an officer that I have a gun on me until I'm asked as it's none of their business. I'm always tempted to use the line, "There is nothing illegal in this car." as an answer but I haven't done it yet. I'm interested to see what would happen. It wouldn't be lying. It wouldn't be answering the question directly either. I don't think that the LEO would have cause yet for a search. It may complicate things but the fact that the presence of my firearm is completely unrelated to the circumstances of the traffic stop I don't offer the information until absolutely necessary.
Although it is very rare that I get pulled over. It is also very rare that I am not open carrying. It the decision of when to disclose that I'm carrying is irrelevant when the LEO walks up to my window and sees it sitting on my hip.
Although it is very rare that I get pulled over. It is also very rare that I am not open carrying. It the decision of when to disclose that I'm carrying is irrelevant when the LEO walks up to my window and sees it sitting on my hip.
groovatron
Master
Wow, you folks get pulled over quite a bit. If you are all concerned enough to carry a gun for protection, then maybe you should drive a little safer. I know, you didn't do anything wrong....the cop was just profiling.
I have not been pulled over in 6 years....that was for a seatbelt. I wasn't carrying back then so I have no experience in this matter. I live in a urban area so it's easy to blend in and not get pulled over. My plan if I was pulled over is to not let the LEO know untill he specifically asked. That doesn't mean, "Do you have anything in the car that I should know about?".....The answer to that would be no...unless it was followed with "like firearms." I would not lie, but I definitely would not volunteer the info.
I know, you didn't do anything wrong....the cop was just profiling.I have not been pulled over in 6 years....that was for a seatbelt. I wasn't carrying back then so I have no experience in this matter. I live in a urban area so it's easy to blend in and not get pulled over. My plan if I was pulled over is to not let the LEO know untill he specifically asked. That doesn't mean, "Do you have anything in the car that I should know about?".....The answer to that would be no...unless it was followed with "like firearms." I would not lie, but I definitely would not volunteer the info.
Oh, I'm going there!
How in the hell was this a good experience? Is it okay for him to rape your rights as long as he smiles while he does it? Have you heard of the 2nd and 4th amendments to to Constitution? Guess what, they apply to you!
Also, have you considered the fact that your gun, left alone in your holster, has a very, very, very little chance of firing? When you get it out and hand it to the officer, not only is it most likely going to point at one of you, but the chance of the firearm going off is also now in play. Add the fact that cops aren't gun smiths, so they possibly don't know exactly how to operate your gun while they are "making it safe" and you could be explaining why your gun was responsible for shooting a cop.
So all in all, it looks like your rights were violated and a dangerous situation was created when not necessary. Not exactly sure why this is considered a good encounter?
Could anyone enlighten my as to why what happened was good, because if it was, I would like to know how I am looking at this wrong...
How in the hell was this a good experience? Is it okay for him to rape your rights as long as he smiles while he does it? Have you heard of the 2nd and 4th amendments to to Constitution? Guess what, they apply to you!
Also, have you considered the fact that your gun, left alone in your holster, has a very, very, very little chance of firing? When you get it out and hand it to the officer, not only is it most likely going to point at one of you, but the chance of the firearm going off is also now in play. Add the fact that cops aren't gun smiths, so they possibly don't know exactly how to operate your gun while they are "making it safe" and you could be explaining why your gun was responsible for shooting a cop.
So all in all, it looks like your rights were violated and a dangerous situation was created when not necessary. Not exactly sure why this is considered a good encounter?
Could anyone enlighten my as to why what happened was good, because if it was, I would like to know how I am looking at this wrong...
Joe Williams
Shooter
- Jun 26, 2008
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Only time I've been pulled over for a while was a few months ago. C-Ville cop pulled me over at 1 am on a Friday night to tell me I had a headlight out. He was probably fishing for drunks, but that's fine with me. Don't want to get pulled over by a cop looking for drunks, don't give them a valid reason to do so! Drunks need to be caught, and I applaud cops who look for them. The car had NRA stickers on both rear side windows, and two on the back window, but he never asked if I had a gun, but I'll bet he had to be a bit curious. I didn't volunteer the fact that I did, since he really didn't need to know.
Took my license to the back of the car, came back a minute or two later, told me he wanted to let me know about the light, since he knew it could be hard to tell with the fog lights on. He was right... I actually couldn't tell, and was glad he told me. Thanked him, went on my way.
Took my license to the back of the car, came back a minute or two later, told me he wanted to let me know about the light, since he knew it could be hard to tell with the fog lights on. He was right... I actually couldn't tell, and was glad he told me. Thanked him, went on my way.
And you shouldn't!!!!!!!!
Glad your encounter went okay. Next time ask the officer if they want to gag you. When they ask why tell them that they are already violating your 2nd and 4th Amendments. They may as well violate your 1st too.
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
See now, I am sarcastic enough to say that, thought I do not know if I am brave enough, lol.
It would really annoy me if I had to turn over my gun during a traffic stop.
BUT I WOULD DO IT AND SMILE.
At the time of the stop is not the proper place for any discussion on department policy.
I would probably take it up with the local police chief later if it was close to my home.
Maybe they run a check on it to see if it's stolen or something. I don't know.
I really feel like it is a violation of my rights and don't like it.
LTCH holders should be recognized as the good guys, not disarmed.
BUT I WOULD DO IT AND SMILE.
At the time of the stop is not the proper place for any discussion on department policy.
I would probably take it up with the local police chief later if it was close to my home.
Maybe they run a check on it to see if it's stolen or something. I don't know.
I really feel like it is a violation of my rights and don't like it.
LTCH holders should be recognized as the good guys, not disarmed.
public servant
Grandmaster
I generally do...Dang!! and it was going along so well !!!
glockednlocked
Sharpshooter
- Jun 7, 2008
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I think that is exceptable in that you were treated with respect and I would not object to that type of treatment. That said I agree with the other poster In 4 traffic stops since I started to carry many years ago I have never been disarmed. I think it is all about officer experience and attitude. My 4 stops were 2 for speed nothing crazy but I admit I was speeding. Those 2 stops both verbal warnings and just a cursory "keep your hands visable" or my favorite "dont pull it out and play with it or anything" The other 2 were punk tickets 2 in one week written by the same officer on a new stop sign that is less than a mile from my house. But hey he taught me my lesson I allways full stop at it now (no possible rolling) and I admit I was in the wrong(I just wish they would write up the bicycle riders that run it with total abandon) That officer looked more concerned and was very abrupt (the first stop)when I told him I was armed and looked more poised for action but was not rude. The second time I was more jovial he was not. even with me lightening the mood "ahh man you again dont the ____s mind you hiding behind their hedge" and as allways i kept hands up on the wheel.
dont the ____s mind you hiding behind their hedge" and as allways i kept hands up on the wheel.AndersonIN
Master
Want to hear something sad????? I wasn't. It was for slooooowly rolling a stop sign, which in the eyes of this great state is the same number of points against your license as going 26+ over the speed limit!!! Make since to me????
standeford
Marksman
I had kind of the same thing happen a few years ago. The company I work for sponsors a team at the Boy Scout benefit shoot that used to be at the Indiana Gun Club. One year the bridge to the club was washed out, which made me late and lost. A sheriff pulled me over for doing 60 in a 40 and I had a half dozen shotguns in the back seat of the truck, along with a few hundred rounds.
He not only didn't bat an eye, but he gave me directions to the club instead of a ticket. That place isn't exactly an Al-Quaeda training camp but he was still very cool about it.
Ok, I am an Illinois LEO. I have had similar experiances with Indiana State LEO's. On one occassion, I had the trooper take both of my firearms back to his car, unload them and field strip them. I was wondering if any Indiana LEO can tell me why? I understand that no Officer wants to deal with someone when they know that they are armed but, even if the person is another Officer?
