ISIS Jihadist from Alabama Wants to Return Home

[1DOWN4UP]

Maybe we should ask Chuck and Nancy for some advice?

 

[JTScribe]

I don't mean your personal sympathy, or the sympathy of any individual.

Her attorney is Hassan Shilby. He is the Executive Director of CAIR in Florida. I find CAIR to be an unsavory bunch and sympathetic towards extremism as a measure of softening the West to the dangers of radical Islam.

I find him to be combative, an Islamist apologist and a critic of American exceptionalism. In an interview I caught today, he was playing the sympathy card, trying to pull on heart strings and singing the praises of America and the West.

It wasn't genuine. It's all a rouse. We're two decades post September 11, 2001, the cats out of the bag. There are no surprises with radical Islam. It wasn't an accident, this was not a teenage lapse in judgement....and that was his angle.

Hmm. Wasn't he Clock Boy's attorney, too?

Edit - no, but looks like he commented on the situation.

 

[Ark]

ISIS threw gay men off of buildings, burned captives alive, and dealt with surrendered enemies by marching them out into the desert by the hundreds and forcing them to dig their own graves before summarily executing them. The fact that this b**** and others like her are even being permitted to keep their lives is an extreme kindness. They talked up ISIS and recruited others at home, then willingly went overseas to spread their legs for a train of jihadis while living in homes staffed by captured slaves. They likely participated in atrocities themselves, as well as putting their bodies to work manufacturing more soldiers for the cause. This behavior is textbook emotional manipulation and playing on sympathy by people who lost a war and are now trying to escape consequences. If things went differently, they'd still be whoring themselves to fighters and cheering in crowds as innocent people were butchered in public. "Look at this cute kid, how could you hate this cute kid (and his mother)"? Lady, you popped that kid out for the sole purpose of strapping a bomb to him in the future and sending him to murder people.

Despite all that, I do think we should allow them to come back to the US, under the following conditions:

First, your children are immediately taken away and put into foster care, and you will never see them again or have any form of contact with them.

Second, you plead guilty to federal terrorism charges and accept a sentence of life in federal prison without the possibility of parole, where you will be placed in solitary confinement and held incommunicado so you cannot radicalize others.

Your reward for taking this deal is that you get to keep your life. This is far more compassion than ISIS ever showed to their vanquished enemies. If these terms are unappealing to you, feel free to whore yourself out to another jihadi group until you eventually get a well-deserved Hellfire up the tailpipe.

Releasing these people into society is as negligent as a surgeon intentionally leaving cancer cells behind.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yes, you can do that on iPhone also. But it saves me from more stupid mistakes than it causes, so ...

Mine seemed to be tied to the "predictive type ahead" feature and I REALLY hated that... worse than auto correct by itself. It's like trying to tell someone something and having them keep interrupting you at every word to try and finish your sentence for you.

 

[Kutnupe14]

ISIS threw gay men off of buildings, burned captives alive, and dealt with surrendered enemies by marching them out into the desert by the hundreds and forcing them to dig their own graves before summarily executing them. The fact that this b**** and others like her are even being permitted to keep their lives is an extreme kindness. They talked up ISIS and recruited others at home, then willingly went overseas to spread their legs for a train of jihadis while living in homes staffed by captured slaves. They likely participated in atrocities themselves, as well as putting their bodies to work manufacturing more soldiers for the cause. This behavior is textbook emotional manipulation and playing on sympathy by people who lost a war and are now trying to escape consequences. If things went differently, they'd still be whoring themselves to fighters and cheering in crowds as innocent people were butchered in public. "Look at this cute kid, how could you hate this cute kid (and his mother)"? Lady, you popped that kid out for the sole purpose of strapping a bomb to him in the future and sending him to murder people.

Despite all that, I do think we should allow them to come back to the US, under the following conditions:

First, your children are immediately taken away and put into foster care, and you will never see them again or have any form of contact with them.

Second, you plead guilty to federal terrorism charges and accept a sentence of life in federal prison without the possibility of parole, where you will be placed in solitary confinement and held incommunicado so you cannot radicalize others.

Your reward for taking this deal is that you get to keep your life. This is far more compassion than ISIS ever showed to their vanquished enemies. If these terms are unappealing to you, feel free to whore yourself out to another jihadi group until you eventually get a well-deserved Hellfire up the tailpipe.

Releasing these people into society is as negligent as a surgeon intentionally leaving cancer cells behind.

Is there at any point during the above that the person is actually tried, with the ability to defend herself, so we can find out exactly what she is guilty of, before sentence is handed down?
If she's not a citizen, then the above is a moot point, she doesn't/shouldn't come back. If she is a citizen, odds are, this chick was radicalized, traveled to Syria, was passed around to fighters, and wrote mean things on the internet. If that's all she did, then I have issue with taking her child indefinitely and incarcerating her for life. I say this in relation to other historical figures who did things much worse, when the stakes were much higher. Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose Come to mind. The two previous persons mentioned were well known to soldiers in the field during WW2, and they contributed greatly to the enemy's cause, and yet, they didn't get near the punishment you are suggesting for this other woman. The actions of the ISIS bride, honestly, seem quite minor in comparison.

 

[Ark]

Is there at any point during the above that the person is actually tried, with the ability to defend herself, so we can find out exactly what she is guilty of, before sentence is handed down?
If she's not a citizen, then the above is a moot point, she doesn't/shouldn't come back. If she is a citizen, odds are, this chick was radicalized, traveled to Syria, was passed around to fighters, and wrote mean things on the internet. If that's all she did, then I have issue with taking her child indefinitely and incarcerating her for life. I say this in relation to other historical figures who did things much worse, when the stakes were much higher. Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose Come to mind. The two previous persons mentioned were well known to soldiers in the field during WW2, and they contributed greatly to the enemy's cause, and yet, they didn't get near the punishment you are suggesting for this other woman. The actions of the ISIS bride, honestly, seem quite minor in comparison.

"All she did" was count after count of providing material support to a terrorist group. There are people serving life sentences today for less.

I didn't see ISIS giving anyone due process, so I don't think she has a leg to stand on in that regard.

 

[halfmileharry]

That guy don't look right without a bottle (or shot of Turkey) in his hand.

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I forget his INGO handle but he's a regular.

 

[HoughMade]

"All she did" was count after count of providing material support to a terrorist group. There are people serving life sentences today for less.

I didn't see ISIS giving anyone due process, so I don't think she has a leg to stand on in that regard.

Sounds like a good reason to bring her to the U.S.

 

[halfmileharry]

I'm telling all of you. This Freedom stuff is grossly underrated. I really like and enjoy freedom.

 

[JTScribe]

Sorry, kids, thread's closed, story's over.

"The Obama administration initially determined Hoda Muthana was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-woman-who-joined-isis-sues-return-u-s-n974386

 

[T.Lex]

Ah, cool, another item upon which Trump and Obama agree.

If Obama started down that path, I'm a bit more confident that it is the wrong path.

 

[Brad69]

This was after the “buzzfeed” interview in 2015 ! I think when she started to spout how she hated the US it upset the “centrist” administration.

 

[Expat]

Sorry, kids, thread's closed, story's over.

"The Obama administration initially determined Hoda Muthana was not a citizen and notified her family that it was revoking her passport in January 2016."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-woman-who-joined-isis-sues-return-u-s-n974386

well, we know that disagreeing with Obama would be racist, so....

 

[jamil]

I've read through enough to sorta get the gist of the thread. My opinion about her disposition is that the law and due process should be followed. Is she a citizen? Not up to me to decide. We don't determine stuff like that by voting. If she's a citizen, and she wants to return to the US, again, let the law decide what to do with her. If she needs prosecuting, then prosecute her. If convicted and sentenced to prison, then imprison her. If she's convicted and gets a death sentence, then follow the laws to do that. If she's not a citizen, then her ass stays out.

This is why we have laws, so emotions don't determine outcomes.

 

[halfmileharry]

I've read through enough to sorta get the gist of the thread. My opinion about her disposition is that the law and due process should be followed. Is she a citizen? Not up to me to decide. We don't determine stuff like that by voting. If she's a citizen, and she wants to return to the US, again, let the law decide what to do with her. If she needs prosecuting, then prosecute her. If convicted and sentenced to prison, then imprison her. If she's convicted and gets a death sentence, then follow the laws to do that. If she's not a citizen, then her ass stays out.

This is why we have laws, so emotions don't determine outcomes.

Yep, our founding fathers weren't fans of mob rule.
The decision should be made by following the written law.

 

[Baditude]

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah... assuming that's true (and I only doubt the provenance because its on the internets), I think I'd rather have her here and take it to trial than to have her sent someplace where she'll have a chance to live freely.

Just MHO.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yeah... assuming that's true (and I only doubt the provenance because its on the internets), I think I'd rather have her here and take it to trial than to have her sent someplace where she'll have a chance to live [STRIKE]freely[/STRIKE].

Just MHO.

FIFY.

 

[Kutnupe14]

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Kinda aggressive, yes, but some barbers are like that.

 

[BugI02]

I've read through enough to sorta get the gist of the thread. My opinion about her disposition is that the law and due process should be followed. Is she a citizen? Not up to me to decide. We don't determine stuff like that by voting. If she's a citizen, and she wants to return to the US, again, let the law decide what to do with her. If she needs prosecuting, then prosecute her. If convicted and sentenced to prison, then imprison her. If she's convicted and gets a death sentence, then follow the laws to do that. If she's not a citizen, then her ass stays out.

This is why we have laws, so emotions don't determine outcomes.

Yeah, laws and stuff

https://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/timeline-of-the-isis-bride/
The Chilling Timeline of the ISIS Bride Who Wants to Return to America

The issue of Hoda's citizenship -- and whether she might be legally entitled to reenter the country -- apparently turns on the timeline of her father's diplomatic status at Yemen's Mission to the United Nations in New York, where he served as a Yemeni diplomat in the early 1990s, before becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. Hoda was born in New Jersey, in October 1994. The U.S. does not consider children born to foreign diplomats in the U.S. as entitled to American citizenship; but if her father's diplomatic status was terminated before she was born, then she would have been a U.S. citizen from birth. By her father's account, he lost his diplomatic status shortly before she was born, ergo she's a citizen. The State Department said otherwise, in a letter dated Jan. 15, 2016, sent to Hoda at her family's Alabama address, more than a year after she'd gone to join ISIS in Syria. According to State, U.S. authorities were not officially notified of the termination of her father's diplomatic status until February 1995, some four months after Hoda was born, ergo she was not born a U.S. citizen, has never been one, and should never have been issued a U.S. passport. It could take a while before we see a court ruling one way or the other.