Could you have stopped the evil?

[cerebus85]

Not that anyone really cares but IMHO its truly up to you. If you don't think you can engage a target without hitting wayward people, possibly children then don't. If you think that you can shoot and scoot and maneuver for a shot then do it. It's not gonna be the gun you carry that decides but you. I bet you there were several ccw and probably open carriers that fled. It doesn't make them a coward though. but if your the guy that turn and face a rifled attacker with your g26 in an appendix holster and you think you can then you're different and i applaud you. We all want to be the guy that saves the day and proves that guns aren't always the problem. We certain want to prevent murder. 50 yards from a average 4 in barrel isn't easy. I shoot often and mine aren't always in the "A" box. but let's face it. Most people punch paper from stationary positions, put it in a holster and away they go.
If you train enough the distance doesn't matter, the gun won't matter. It's the mind that will matter.

 

[CopperheadL]

I will be honest about my answer, most likely its a resounding NO. 50 yards, people running, screaming, the shock, the fear, the adrenaline. I know that people say they train for this, but lets be honest. not everyone is going to be rambo in this situation. Fact of my situation, i am a 54 year old man, I'm not the superhuman i was in my 20's. I wouldn't be able to make that shot now.

 

[wethepeople]

Never thought about trying to take out a threat with my ccw from 50 yards. I am now. The sooner people realize that properly trained citizens with a gun is our best chance taking out these pyschos before they take more innocent lives. Cops can't be everywhere. Salute to the Dayton police I saw in the videos.

 

[semperfi211]

Bet there wasn't much drop with that .40. In fact the bullets could have impacted higher than your aim point. Most of my Glocks are dead on the top of the front sights at about 25 yds. That's where the barrel and sight alignment intersect. Farther out (and 50 yds isn't far for a pistol like that) the bullet will hit a little higher than your front sight. I'd like to hear what you discovered.

I didn't notice a difference. When I went back to 50 I shot sitting on my picnic bench with the pistol rested to take some of my jitters out of the picture and there wasn't a difference going back to 50.

 

[soldiersofthespirit]

Good question! This is one that all of us who carry have to ask ourselves. The Key part of the question here is;

"If you were ALONE, without family or friends to safely evacuate and had cover, could you have stopped the active shooter from 50 yards with your EDC?"
Most of the time I'm with my wife, kids, or grand kids which is a whole different scenario. But, that being said my question to us who carry a handgun is DO YOU TRAIN, PRACTICE, rehearse situations, work with a partner, and most of all have what it takes to take down another human being.
We don't just need more people carrying handguns, we need more trained, qualified, people carrying hand guns. As one who has carried a handgun since 1971 when I returned home from Vietnam (as a combat medic), being a certified NRA instructor, and also a Purdue 4H certified instructor with the youth. It's hard for me to believe that in most all of these shooter situations you almost never hear of anyone (with a handgun or shooting back) being in the area of the shooter. Could there have been someone there but, didn't know what to do, or couldn't react because of not being trained in situations. I appeal to all out there that do carry. Don't just spend your money to collect guns for bragging rights or show. Get professionally trained, work with others, have partners, you need to be going through at least 3-500 rounds a week. Can't afford the training? Sell some guns, get an extra job or don't carry! These are life or death situations, it's not a game. I put to many fellow (friends) soldiers in body bags to not realize we're in a war against evil here in this country.
Sorry but, I visit to many gun stores and shooting ranges and see people that own or are looking to own guns that literally scare me to death. The real way to defeat this evil is to have GOOD, TRAINED, civilian soldiers on our streets with the ability to react to this evil.





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[VUPDblue]

Shoot up half a case a week or don’t carry? Really?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Yes if I had something to rest my 9 or 10mm on for aimed shots. No if I'm carrying my Ruger lcr. This question is great. Got me thinking my little 38 special isn't going to cut it. Better start carrying a 9 or 10mm with several extra clips. Going to be uncomfortable, but at least I'd stand a better chance to survive.

I don't know if Sand Burr is still going to offer their snubby courses since Denny passed, but if you attend you'll shoot snubbies to 75y. It's certainly more difficult than the same task with a duty sized pistol but it is doable with proper technique AND sights. Big dot style sights are going to really up the difficulty factor.

 

[DadSmith]

I don't know if Sand Burr is still going to offer their snubby courses since Denny passed, but if you attend you'll shoot snubbies to 75y. It's certainly more difficult than the same task with a duty sized pistol but it is doable with proper technique AND sights. Big dot style sights are going to really up the difficulty factor.

I found that out with my 6.5" 44 magnum. The front sight covers the target up at 50 yards (target is 12"x16"). I am going to try and replace it with a smaller sight if I can. My Snubby has a big green Hiviz front sight on it. It would cover a house at 50 yards lol.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I found that out with my 6.5" 44 magnum. The front sight covers the target up at 50 yards (target is 12"x16"). I am going to try and replace it with a smaller sight if I can. My Snubby has a big green Hiviz front sight on it. It would cover a house at 50 yards lol.

Not an option with a fixed rear sight, but if you have an adjustable rear you can regulate it to "pumpkin on a post" point of impact. Basically you dial your sight in so that the bullet impacts just on top of the front sight. Then you don't have to worry about the front sight covering the target. For longer ranges you aim as normal then drop the rear sight a bit. Real old school, but some folks used to have a horizontal line etched into the front sight then filled with gold wire. It showed the where the rear sight should line up at various distances, sort of like the ranging marks in scopes.

Honestly there's better options available today that work in more varied lighting conditions, but in good light I wouldn't mind having an N-frame or my GP100 MC for a for-real shot at those distances. Night time would suck, though.

 

[nakinate]

Shoot up half a case a week or don’t carry? Really?

When life isn’t too crazy I’m usually shooting 100-150 rounds per week of focused skill building (usually, sometimes it’s just fun). I can’t imagine trying shoot 500 rounds per week with all my other obligations in life.

 

[DadSmith]

Going to give that a try BehindBlueI's.

 

[Denny347]

Shoot up half a case a week or don’t carry? Really?

Right? That's a lot of time and money. Great if you have it. I would assume that an EQUAL amount of time and money is spent in "hand to hand" combat skills as well right? Because a handgun is just ONE tool...

 

[bobzilla]

With the 5” 1911 ive hit possums lumbering along at 35 yards. Man size target would be easier(larger) but harder ( adrenaline/rounds coming your way). I can honestly say i have no idea if I’d stop it but I’d like to think I could slow it down a little.

Now the 2” .38 and the 3” 1911 past 15-20 yards I’m not that good. Maybe I just need to carry the full-size more often.

 

[chezuki]

Mine exists! She may kill me, but here’s her on our 10th anniversary date a couple years ago.

This thread has stayed on track for way too long. This is INGO after all, it was time for a detour.

Next time go for a high five before taking the pic.

 

[Alpo]

I don't know if Sand Burr is still going to offer their snubby courses since Denny passed, but if you attend you'll shoot snubbies to 75y. It's certainly more difficult than the same task with a duty sized pistol but it is doable with proper technique AND sights. Big dot style sights are going to really up the difficulty factor.

Denny is dead?

Someone is ghosting his account.

Reported!

 

[bwframe]

I'll add an idea for your practice routine.

Make your first 3 shots at the range with your carry gun at 50 yards. These are the shots that you note and judge for your skill level.

You can make the shots however you want, but these three shots need to be made cold. No warming up before or walking the shots into what you call your results.

You can add things later such as drawing, timed fire, etc. The important thing is to use your first 1-2-3 shots at the range as a realistic basis for what you are possibly capable of shooting cold and unpracticed.

 

[Hookeye]

Longer D you can pick a higher aiming point and run front sight level w rear and drop em in or hold the front high in the rear and not cover your target.

Played around w that and popped an 8 pointer at 150.

Reg sight holds out to 100.

If people spent a bit of time and money theyd proly shoot better at distance than they imagined.

But most handgun owners buy stuff for short range and rarely practice.

Hell....talked to deer hunters that think over 50 isnt doable w a long gun....even w a rest.

Smdh

Too many base things on their perspective....when they suck

 

[Hookeye]

Im going to get a Grey Guns reset and an adj rear sight for my HK P30 L.

Fully expect it to do well at 50. Bought it for that

 

[soldiersofthespirit]

Well, maybe 3-500 a week was a bit zealous. LoL! But if you read carefully my point was training and practice not a certain number of rounds.

 

[Hookeye]

BTW, I'll try to get my ol lady to the range this weekend and let her shoot the HK pistol and my 700 rifle.
Try for a photo opp.
She's old, but I think still pretty hot.

I'm afraid if she does well with the pistol she's gonna expect me to buy one for her (or she take mine).