Coronavirus II

[maxwelhse]

Good find! I clearly remember the Malthusians strongly asserting we would all be dead by now from the coming ice age.

There are more...

I also remember the hole in the ozone layer was going to kill us by now.

 

[BugI02]

6% forever vs. 30% for two months. Which one comes out ahead after a year?

But, they're making more old people all the time

Your assumption does not take into account how likely it is we can relight the engines and power out of the dive relative to how long/low we allow the free fall to go

 

[T.Lex]

 

[BugI02]

Interesting thing. A couple of years ago, I ranged my neighborhood. My wife thought I was nuts.

Not so much any more....

Seventy, one-oh-five or one-five-five? And did you stockpile enough ammo?

 

[nonobaddog]

I have already suggested to my post office that they offer a paid service to USPS consumers to throw the garbage you're mailing us away instead of delivering it. They already do that for PO Boxes. No junk mail allowed. PO Boxes are $50/year. I'd happily pay that to filter the trash out.

It's not personal, but pretty much everybody hates junk mail and that's all pretty much anyone gets in their mail anymore. Regardless of my personal opinion, it seems your business model is going to get out moded when the boomers and their coupon cutting are gone.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, 35 years and going strong. Younger folks probably use coupons more than older, financially healthier folks. My Dad told me the home computers would shut us down. The opposite happened.



Ok, I should have used purple on the Green Deal, but the USPS drivers and recycle/garbage trucks will make their rounds with or without my garbage. Or are you advocating for the collapse of the US Postal system ... Good God indeed.

I'll let this go after this because it's off-topic, but keep in mind that the garbage mail helps support just about any type of business you can think of, in addition to whole industries, like logging, paper mills, etc, which employ real people. It's called economic activity, which was my main point, and I'm happy to play a small part in that. For what it's worth, I've guaranteed my employees full pay and benefits through the end of the year, at least, and mostly they're working from home right now.

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Yeah, just had to give you some crap, somebody had to. I sure do wish there was a way to opt out though.

 

[Bennettjh]

Trump invokes DPA. GM to make ventilators.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/27/coronavirus-latest-news/

 

[mmpsteve]

Yeah, just had to give you some crap, somebody had to. I sure do wish there was a way to opt out though.

Baby! I can take it, but it really pisses me off I gave up the Wild Turkey last year. Poor timing on my part.

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[GodFearinGunTotin]

Trump invokes DPA. GM to make ventilators.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/27/coronavirus-latest-news/

When GM stepped up and said they’d do this I wondered how they were going to manage it. Their union practically walked out over this CV scare. If they were going to build them, who was going to do it? They told the salaried people today, effective 4/1 they were going on a sort of furlough.

 

[Dead Duck]

This is most likely a cover up to hide the conspiracy of the man made monster coronavirus. https://abcnews.go.com/US/conspirac...vid-19-laboratory-construct/story?id=69827832

***Disclaimer.... I'm not trying to spread rumors. This report came out early on from a few places and then it disappeared.




Of course there will be conspiracy theorists thinking some government made this virus in a lab as a weapon.

BUTT....

What about those reports the got buried of the "Monkey Theory"?
It was never that this virus was created in a lab but it was that the lab already had existing virus samples that were routinely tested on monkeys. One of the lab technicians got greedy and sold the monkeys instead of properly disposing of them. Sold them to a local wet market.


Coincidentally, this particular lab was the only lab in China that carried this particular virus AND the lab just happened to be located in the same neighborhood as the wet market where this breakout started at. There were also reports that this particular market didn't even carry bats but they did sell monkeys.



I'm not here to spread rumors.
I'm just here to clarify that just because this virus wasn't man made, doesn't mean it didn't come from a lab.

Anyone have tabs on the original reports on this? There were a few of them including (I think) interviews with one of the lab guys? Problem is most everything that was being reported/smuggled out of China has now been squashed and most the people that knew anything are dead or imprisoned.

 

[BugI02]

Too much nerd talk going on in here with all of this modeling stuff and statistics.

When do we get to form up and go out on raids in a convey of Mad Max style vehicles? I'm getting bored.

If you're talking the first movie, then you're saying mostly late 70s Kawasakis. I'm in

 

[BugI02]

Only after the 2016 general election could we tell whether Trump had won.

We had to vote for him to see what was in him

 

[nonobaddog]

***Disclaimer.... I'm not trying to spread rumors. This report came out early on from a few places and then it disappeared.

Anyone have tabs on the original reports on this? There were a few of them including (I think) interviews with one of the lab guys? Problem is most everything that was being reported/smuggled out of China has now been squashed and most the people that knew anything are dead or imprisoned.

Kinda funny - that is what happens to the truth too often when it is inconvenient.

 

[BugI02]

Sounds like the stimulus bill has limitations on companies doing buy backs and somehow limiting executive bonuses. It will be entertaining to see how they figure out how to cheat that.

Check your portfolio, also. Companies that take the loans have to forego dividends until 1 year after the loan is repaid or something like that. Seems excessive to restrict behavior after repayment

 

[BugI02]

I still hope I am wrong. That this is not nearly as lethal as I think by following the science.
I have read everything from a 33% ICU rate to a .07% ICU rate. It is not easy to sift through what is real and what is opinion.

My worst case is bad. My best case is bad. The reality is well bad.

Maybe we come up with an effective treatment and this becomes nothing. One can hope,but not survive on it.

Treat it like investing. Take a model you favor and back test it. Does it correctly generate the numbers you have evidence on, within some small margin of error? If no, discard and pick another model. If yes, then and only then attempt to extrapolate

 

[BugI02]

This is an ongoing issue. People want a single disease to blame. The real cause could be something like 'respiratory failure' with potentially more than one major contributing factor like COVID-19, lung cancer and pneumonia.

Not quite seeing this. If you were sick and near death and I double tap you with some 38 super JHPs, what killed you? The cancer, respiratory failure or the lead. Proximate cause

 

[qwerty]

***Disclaimer.... I'm not trying to spread rumors. This report came out early on from a few places and then it disappeared.




Of course there will be conspiracy theorists thinking some government made this virus in a lab as a weapon.

BUTT....

What about those reports the got buried of the "Monkey Theory"?
It was never that this virus was created in a lab but it was that the lab already had existing virus samples that were routinely tested on monkeys. One of the lab technicians got greedy and sold the monkeys instead of properly disposing of them. Sold them to a local wet market.


Coincidentally, this particular lab was the only lab in China that carried this particular virus AND the lab just happened to be located in the same neighborhood as the wet market where this breakout started at. There were also reports that this particular market didn't even carry bats but they did sell monkeys.



I'm not here to spread rumors.
I'm just here to clarify that just because this virus wasn't man made, doesn't mean it didn't come from a lab.

Anyone have tabs on the original reports on this? There were a few of them including (I think) interviews with one of the lab guys? Problem is most everything that was being reported/smuggled out of China has now been squashed and most the people that knew anything are dead or imprisoned.

Not like it has not happened before several times...

Mounting Lab Accidents Raise SARS Fears April 30, 2004

For those who are not a member:

INFECTIOUS DISEASES For the third time in less than a year, an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) seems to have originated from a failure in laboratory containment. This latest incident, revealed in China late last week, is the most serious. One death is tentatively attributed to it, eight people are confirmed or suspected of contracting the disease, and hundreds have been quarantined. The apparent lapse is especially troubling because it occurred in China's leading SARS research lab, at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Beijing. Also disturbing, experts say, is that one lab worker traveled widely while she had symptoms of the disease. Despite that lapse, Chinese authorities now seem to have the situation under control, says Robert Dietz, spokesperson for the Beijing office of the World Health Organization (WHO). The two earlier lab accidents, in Singapore in September ( Science , 19 September, p. [1642][1]) and Taiwan in December ( Science , 2 January, p. [26][2]), did not result in spread beyond the affected workers. Two of the Chinese cases, a 26-year-old graduate student identified by her surname, Song, and a 31-year-old male postdoc named Yang were both apparently exposed in the same lab at the Institute of Viral Disease Control at the Chinese CDC. But Dietz says that the onset of symptoms likely indicates two separate exposure events. Song developed SARS symptoms on 25 March; Yang, on 17 April. The prospect of two separate exposure incidents suggests “some sort of systemic or procedural failures” in the lab, Dietz says. But he warns against any conclusion until the origin of the infections is confirmed. ![Figure][3] Quarantined. Hundreds of people in China have been isolated after exposure to a SARS patient. CREDIT: AP PHOTO Regardless of the source, the outbreak may show “a failure in applying guidelines to monitor the health of the people who work in these labs,” Dietz says. After working in the lab in Beijing, Song returned home to Anhui Province. When she developed a fever, she traveled to Beijing by train, where she was treated at a hospital and released. Accompanied by her mother, she returned to Anhui by train, entered a different hospital, and was later transferred to a third. On 19April her mother died of pneumonia, presumably a SARS victim. A nurse who attended Song at the Beijing hospital contracted SARS and has apparently spread the infection to several members of her family. Despite the initial delay, says Dietz, “once SARS was recognized, [China] ramped up [its response] immediately.” Authorities have closed the virus lab, and more than 200 institute employees have been quarantined. Another 400 who had contact with suspected SARS cases have also been quarantined. Dietz says WHO expects to have a team of two or three biosafety experts in Beijing this week. They will work with Chinese colleagues from the Ministry of Health to try to pin down the source of infection. WHO is forming other teams to work on epidemiology and infection control. A fourth team will be sent to Anhui for investigations there. [1]: /lookup/doi/10.1126/science.301.5640.1642a [2]: /lookup/doi/10.1126/science.303.5654.26 [3]: pending:yes

 

[Alpo]

Seventy, one-oh-five or one-five-five? And did you stockpile enough ammo?

How much is enough? If we assume a few thousand rounds is enough... than I'm probably enough*2. Only a few dozen magazines though.

 

[maxwelhse]

Check your portfolio, also. Companies that take the loans have to forego dividends until 1 year after the loan is repaid or something like that. Seems excessive to restrict behavior after repayment

I already fully expect to not got any dividends from pretty much anything for at least a few quarters already. Dumpster fire status: GO!

Speaking of... I had a conversation at work last week that a more accurate description of these events might actually be dumpster ice cube. A dumpster fire will at least keep you warm, but nobody wants anything to do with dumpster ice.

 

[Alpo]

***Disclaimer.... I'm not trying to spread rumors. This report came out early on from a few places and then it disappeared.




Of course there will be conspiracy theorists thinking some government made this virus in a lab as a weapon.

BUTT....

What about those reports the got buried of the "Monkey Theory"?
It was never that this virus was created in a lab but it was that the lab already had existing virus samples that were routinely tested on monkeys. One of the lab technicians got greedy and sold the monkeys instead of properly disposing of them. Sold them to a local wet market.


Coincidentally, this particular lab was the only lab in China that carried this particular virus AND the lab just happened to be located in the same neighborhood as the wet market where this breakout started at. There were also reports that this particular market didn't even carry bats but they did sell monkeys.



I'm not here to spread rumors.
I'm just here to clarify that just because this virus wasn't man made, doesn't mean it didn't come from a lab.

Anyone have tabs on the original reports on this? There were a few of them including (I think) interviews with one of the lab guys? Problem is most everything that was being reported/smuggled out of China has now been squashed and most the people that knew anything are dead or imprisoned.

Are you playing Dustin Hoffman or the monkey?

Saw the movie. Again last week.

Tombs should have the Donald Sutherland role.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Can we stop saying virus has a two-week incubation period? Most people symptomatic by day 5-7