Coronavirus II

[ghuns]

UPMC doctors in Pa. say they’ve developed a coronavirus vaccine

The UPMC researchers said their timetable will depend on approvals and feedback from the federal government, and they don’t know how long it will take. However, they hope the need for the vaccine will lead to an “expedited” approval process.

Isn't this how the movie, I Am Legend, starts?

 

[Alpo]

I don’t know. ButSOME people love to snitch on others. By reading some of the comments in these CV threads, I’d say a surprising number of INGOers would avail themselves of this too, if/when Holcomb creates one.

Yes. Some people are needledick mother****ers. Some.

Some people think your business is their business. Some.

There were solutions to this problem employed in the military. Those options are always available.

OTOH, if you are one of the ignorant *******s running around with no legitimate purpose other than "mah rahts", then perhaps you are the other end of the bell curve and are just as inconsiderate as the other extreme.

 

[maxwelhse]

UPMC doctors in Pa. say they’ve developed a coronavirus vaccine



Isn't this how the movie, I Am Legend, starts?

If I recall the moral to that story, it may be even more accurate than you think.

 

[MCgrease08]

As of about 2 weeks ago, GM was offering 0% financing for 7 years...

If the deal gets much better, a stripped down Spark would almost be too hard to refuse as my daily beater. Brand new car for about $150/mo.

Seven years of monthly car payments. Yeah, sounds like a great deal.

 

[MCgrease08]

UPMC doctors in Pa. say they’ve developed a coronavirus vaccine

This would be great if true. A nice feather in the cap for my alma mater.

 

[BugI02]

I wonder how many hospitals and doctors groups will go bankrupt due to lack of patients over this.

I think there's a misconception that everyone is slammed right now.

it may very well be what leads to socialized medicine when .gov bailout comes. fortunately repubs have Senate a d WH otherwise I suspect it would be an open attempt to nationalize

Yessss. More centralized control, form your own local STASI chapter - so much of what's going on seems like a totalitarian's wet dream. We will have our work cut out for us when the actual disease crisis has let up, there will be people praising the totalitarian type of model and wishing to continue using it because they can do things that they could never get state legislatures or congress to sign off on

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Yes. Some people are needledick mother****ers. Some.

Some people think your business is their business. Some.

There were solutions to this problem employed in the military. Those options are always available.

OTOH, if you are one of the ignorant *******s running around with no legitimate purpose other than "mah rahts", then perhaps you are the other end of the bell curve and are just as inconsiderate as the other extreme.

We used to live in a free country where people had the right to be on any part of the bell curve they wanted. And you and I had the right to consider them any derogatory name we could come up with but unless they were actually harming another, we had to take our opinions and go pound sand with them. I kind of miss those days.

 

[maxwelhse]

Seven years of monthly car payments. Yeah, sounds like a great deal.

Ehh... Depends on how you look at it. If you've got to have a car anyhow, and you could use a replacement, and you're buying on the "responsible" end of the pricing scale, it's pretty hard to argue against. Especially if you're a believer that hyper inflation is coming soon. You put half down on a Spark and you've got a $75/mo car payment, for a brand new car with a warranty, that gets 30 city/38hwy, with a 0% interest loan. Most people pay more than that for their cable and phone bills. I do.

If you were moving out of, say, an SUV that perhaps was an affordable luxury 2 months ago, but may not be so affordable soon, there's solid logic in doing it.

Do I suggest anyone go take out a 7 year loan on an optioned our Caddy or Silverado? NO!

 

[nonobaddog]

Good (but somewhat long) Article about possible relationship between viral load of initial exposure and subsequent suffering, damage and fatality. No definite answers specific to SARS-CoV-2 but trends in general virus behavior and human immune response. Quite believable to me.

"How Does The Coronavirus Behave Inside A Patient"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/how-does-the-coronavirus-behave-inside-a-patient

 

[Alpo]

We used to live in a free country where people had the right to be on any part of the bell curve they wanted. And you and I had the right to consider them any derogatory name we could come up with but unless they were actually harming another, we had to take our opinions and go pound sand with them. I kind of miss those days.

And it used to be when there was a crisis, neighbors pulled together. It wasn't communism, or socialism. It was just the right thing to do. There wasn't some ******* complaining that he was losing his constitutional rights.

If you feel that any group effort puts a limit on your individual action....guess what? You are correct. That is the nature of teamwork.

I think I've been "in this country" a fair bit. Since the late 1940's. And I have read a bit of history.

There was never "there was a time" that you are talking about. Never.

There were times when individuals used the constitution to promote their own selfish welfare and suppress the rights of others.

 

[BugI02]

I think it’s entirely possible this could be true, but .gov not wanting it to be announced. If they end these social distancing orders and people start ignoring precautions because they think there is a cure, we will see numbers go through the roof. The treatment may work, but it’s not instant, and hospitals would be really overwhelmed. I think if this combo is effective, they’ll quietly treat people with it for as long as possible.

I guess if the mortality rate starts to improve, we may have an answer.

They may also wish to secure an adequate supply before they announce it is an effective treatment. Is Plaquenil made here? What about Azithromycin? I am told almost all of our antibiotics are made in China. Couple that with the attempted hoarding/self-prescribing by doctors that have already taken place and they may wish to have more control of the supply

 

[MCgrease08]

Ehh... Depends on how you look at it. If you've got to have a car anyhow, and you could use a replacement, and you're buying on the "responsible" end of the pricing scale, it's pretty hard to argue against. Especially if you're a believer that hyper inflation is coming soon. You put half down on a Spark and you've got a $75/mo car payment, for a brand new car with a warranty, that gets 30 city/38hwy, with a 0% interest loan. Most people pay more than that for their cable and phone bills. I do.

If you were moving out of, say, an SUV that perhaps was an affordable luxury 2 months ago, but may not be so affordable soon, there's solid logic in doing it.

Do I suggest anyone go take out a 7 year loan on an optioned our Caddy or Silverado? NO!

Or you could just save up and pay cash for a 2-3 year old used car and let some other schmuck eat the depreciation while you're left without a car payment.

That way your not stuck trying to make payments when the economy gets shut down and cash flow drops due to some virus. (The universal you, not necessarily you personally.)

But hey, what are the odds of something like that happening, right?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And it used to be when there was a crisis, neighbors pulled together. It wasn't communism, or socialism. It was just the right thing to do. There wasn't some ******* complaining that he was losing his constitutional rights.

If you feel that any group effort puts a limit on your individual action....guess what? You are correct. That is the nature of teamwork.

I think I've been "in this country" a fair bit. Since the late 1940's. And I have read a bit of history.

There was never "there was a time" that you are talking about. Never.

There were times when individuals used the constitution to promote their own selfish welfare and suppress the rights of others.

Probably since the very beginning. And yes, there used to be a time where snitch hotlines would have been frowned upon.

 

[BugI02]

The Times notes that Dr. Schaffner “cautioned that the results applied only to patients with relatively mild illness, like the ones in the study, and could not be generalized to advanced cases.”

So in relatively mild illness it helps people recover in a week or so?

I am reading that correctly?

No. You are reading what Chinese authorities said

What the Dr said:

“We’ve had, I mentioned 20 intubations, most all of them occurred in the first two days,” Smith continued. “More importantly, no person who has received five days or more of the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combination has been intubated. The chance of that occurring by chance, according to my sons who did some stats for me, are .000 something.”


“It’s a ridiculous low no matter how you look at it,” Smith continued. “We worry about selection bias in the situation, but I cannot think of a reason why, if all else is equal, why people that have received five days or more — even four days or more of this hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin regimen wouldn’t get intubated.”

What the ChiComs said through their NYT mouthpiece:

The New York Times reported on Wednesday that “the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helped to speed the recovery of a small number of patients who were mildly ill from the coronavirus, doctors in China reported this week.”
“Cough, fever and pneumonia went away faster, and the disease seemed less likely to turn severe in people who received hydroxychloroquine than in a comparison group not given the drug,” the Times added.

Reasons to doubt anything China says about CiVid 19, everything is subservient to the government's propaganda efforts

Time, no less. Not exactly a right wing source

https://time.com/5813628/china-coronavirus-statistics-wuhan/
China Says It's Beating Coronavirus. But Can We Believe Its Numbers?

Mainland China officially stands at 82,294 infections with 3,310 deaths. But it also had 1,441 asymptomatic COVID-19 patients under observation as of Monday, according to the National Health Commission. Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post newspaper reported March 22 that confidential documents indicate there were a total of 42,000 asymptomatic cases by the end of February that were excluded from official tallies.


Including those cases would mean China leapfrogs Italy and Spain back into second place overall for COVID-19 infections, though still behind the U.S., which had some 190,000 cases as of April 1.


But it’s just one of many concerns about official COVID-19 statistics in China. One study by six researchers from the University of Hong Kong found that 232,000 people in China may have been infected by Feb. 20, compared to the approximately 75,000 cases the country had officially reported on that date.

I am concerned at largely anecdotal data, but I am seeing this story more and more from US based sources. At this point I would not give much credence to anything the Chinese are saying

 

[smokingman]

No. You are reading what Chinese authorities said

What the Dr said:



What the ChiComs said through their NYT mouthpiece:



Reasons to doubt anything China says about CiVid 19, everything is subservient to the government's propaganda efforts

Time, no less. Not exactly a right wing source

https://time.com/5813628/china-coronavirus-statistics-wuhan/
China Says It's Beating Coronavirus. But Can We Believe Its Numbers?



I am concerned at largely anecdotal data, but I am seeing this story more and more from US based sources. At this point I would not give much credence to anything the Chinese are saying

What I posted was directly quoted by the doctor who ran the experiment,where did you get it came from China?
From the article you originally posted at the very end of it.

 

[maxwelhse]

Or you could just save up and pay cash for a 2-3 year old used car and let some other schmuck eat the depreciation while you're left without a car payment.

That way your not stuck trying to make payments when the economy gets shut down and cash flow drops due to some virus. (The universal you, not necessarily you personally.)

But hey, what are the odds of something like that happening, right?

I am, mostly, just going to play devil's advocate here since there is only a marginal argument to be made that cash is not king. But, I'm gonna make it.

The depreciation on a $13,000 car with 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty and a 5 year powertrain warranty is actually a pretty acceptable loss, IMO. At a glance, a 5 year old Spark is $7k. So for $100/mo you have a written guarantee that the thing is going to start and likely drive for 5 years and get you were you need to go with good fuel economy on top of that. People legitimately pay more than that for an extended warranty on a used car (which is a different topic).

Then the issue arises of opportunity cost. Let's say I go out tomorrow and buy a used car with cash. I own the car outright, so good for me. However, I no longer have access to that cash and it's now tied up in a different depreciating asset that I'm still required to own (because if you need a car, you need a car) so I can't just sell it and get my money back. What happens if I need to buy food? Or pay for housing? My cash is sitting in the driveway. However, if I only obligate myself to a small monthly payment, I can stretch my cash far, far, further into the future. Since it costs me $0 in interest to do that, it would be silly not to hang on to my cash as long as possible. Over a 7 year time span, there's every reason in the world to believe that the cash I have on hand could actually double itself if invested wisely (especially in this garbage market... we're approaching the point where up or total failure will be the only two options). If this all went perfectly, you could have a free car out of the deal.

Then there's the issue of inflation. Even in good times, inflation is about 2% annually. So, if I drive the car all 7 years of the loan (which would personally be my plan, and beyond) I make the compound rate of 2% APY on the loan, which comes out to about 2 grand. If you're a believer that inflation is going to go through the roof, Carter style, then you could actually make good money by holding that loan to fruition and have an asset that you needed anyhow at the end of it.

A 7 year old Spark is probably still worth $2500 (call it $2k in today's money for the inflation). So... Just looking at without the crazy times inflation that might come, you have a vehicle to drive for 5 years with very little concern about, and another 2 just winging it, for a cost of about $9k in today's money, and you got to keep your cash on hand that entire time for "what if". Seems like a decent deal to me.

Sooo... That's where my mind is at and where my logic is coming from. Personally, the scale of risk would swing radically away from my comfort zone for anything much more expensive than a Spark. I wouldn't even consider applying this to an $80k truck unless I had a similar scale of cash behind me that I do for a Spark and I actually needed an asset that expensive to generate income. The only income I generate with a car is hauling my butt to work, so, a Spark would do.

 

[Alpo]

The Chinese are lying. Any cut at the data for a Northern Hemisphere population with 13 cities over 10 million and the lowest infection rate experience by other countries would put their infection total, at a minimum, over 250,000 and more likely double or treble that level.

 

[BugI02]

Yes. Some people are needledick mother****ers. Some.

Some people think your business is their business. Some.

There were solutions to this problem employed in the military. Those options are always available.

OTOH, if you are one of the ignorant *******s running around with no legitimate purpose other than "mah rahts", then perhaps you are the other end of the bell curve and are just as inconsiderate as the other extreme.

Are you actually suggesting beating neighborhood snitches with a couple of bars of soap in a sock?

I will allow it

 

[Alpo]

I was thinking more of fragging...


JUST KIDDING!

And soap is a valuable commodity.....so a brick or rock is better.

 

[T.Lex]

The Chinese are lying. Any cut at the data for a Northern Hemisphere population with 13 cities over 10 million and the lowest infection rate experience by other countries would put their infection total, at a minimum, over 250,000 and more likely double or treble that level.

Hubei province (capital city - Wuhan) has a population of about 60M people. Even just assuming 50% infection rate (absurdly low IMHO), that's 30M infected. Using a conservative 3% mortality, that's about 900k dead.

They've reported like, 80k infected and 3k dead? Yeah right.

I mean, it is totally possible with ruthless lockdown measures, but killing enough people to make that effective should get added into the body count.