Losing patience with Menards

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Careful, Lowes occasionally accidentally puts a straight board into their lumber. It really throws off the aesthetic of the nice warps, bows, and cork screws you normally get.

Seriously, lumber has gone to absolute crap over the past 30 years. The pre-9/11 housing boom taught them they could sell absolute crap as premium and we'd buy it. It's not properly kilned any longer and it shows. Stuff we would culled into the burn barrel in the mid 90's is prem-o stuff now.

Yes. I really haven’t found a source around me that you can reliably find good stuff. Maybe, if you get there when they pop the bands of a fresh bundle, maybe then.

 

[AtTheMurph]

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QUOTE=Mgderf;8293600]Again, your opinion, and you're entitled to it.[/QUOTE]

That's not an opinion as much as a simple and verifiable fact.

Another fact - face masks reduce the risk of spreading viruses. That's why they wear them in operating rooms. Now of course, all masks are not created equal but let's suppose that a simple, home-made mask affords a 25% chance of not catching or spreading the virus. If I am also wearing that same mask and have the same 25% improvement in stopping the spread, then combined we gain a multiplicative effect in slowing transmissions.

And we know the virus is spread via air and that people are contagious before they show symptoms. What in the world would anyone have against wearing a simple mask?

 

[Snapdragon]

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That's not an opinion as much as a simple and verifiable fact.

Another fact - face masks reduce the risk of spreading viruses. That's why they wear them in operating rooms. Now of course, all masks are not created equal but let's suppose that a simple, home-made mask affords a 25% chance of not catching or spreading the virus. If I am also wearing that same mask and have the same 25% improvement in stopping the spread, then combined we gain a multiplicative effect in slowing transmissions.

And we know the virus is spread via air and that people are contagious before they show symptoms. What in the world would anyone have against wearing a simple mask?

Agreed. And many of the very people who are complaining about the lockdown are not willing to take a simple step to enable us to open up more safely.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That analogy is cute and all. But it’s only really equivalent if, like as often as I go take a leak, I only take one breath every couple of hours. Now, if we think about how the analogy really works, after pissing your pants, imagine you stick your hands in your pockets or make “adjustments” every few minutes (like people do with their masks), and then reach out and touch stuff.

 

[BugI02]

Agreed. And many of the very people who are complaining about the lockdown are not willing to take a simple step to enable us to open up more safely.

As someone who is interested in hard numbers, at least where Ingomike is concerned, perhaps you would be so kind as to point us to your data that confirms bandanas and home-made cloth masks make us 'safer'?

Otherwise it seems you are begging the question

 

[Snapdragon]

As someone who is interested in hard numbers, at least where Ingomike is concerned, perhaps you would be so kind as to point us to your data that confirms bandanas and home-made cloth masks make us 'safer'?

Otherwise it seems you are begging the question

Did I mention bandanas and home-made cloth masks?

But if I had, here you go.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

Edited to add one more.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

 

[2A_Tom]

Careful, Lowes occasionally accidentally puts a straight board into their lumber. It really throws off the aesthetic of the nice warps, bows, and cork screws you normally get.

Seriously, lumber has gone to absolute crap over the past 30 years. The pre-9/11 housing boom taught them they could sell absolute crap as premium and we'd buy it. It's not properly kilned any longer and it shows. Stuff we would culled into the burn barrel in the mid 90's is prem-o stuff now.

That is why you never buy lumber at the Super Market.

Find yourself a good old fashioned Lumber Yard, where the REPUTABLE contractors buy their lumber. There have to be some in Indy.

If you live in NWI Schilling Brothers in St. John has superior lumber at prices comparable to Menards. They deliver free on $1000 orders.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Yes. I really haven’t found a source around me that you can reliably find good stuff.

Your options are:

1) Time machine

2) Hardwood/specialty lumber.

The days of spruce/pine/fir lumber being decent quality are well behind us. I was able to get decent cedar planking for a closet project, but you have to be willing to spend...

 

[BehindBlueI's]

That is why you never buy lumber at the Super Market.

Find yourself a good old fashioned Lumber Yard, where the REPUTABLE contractors buy their lumber. There have to be some in Indy.

If you live in NWI Schilling Brothers in St. John has superior lumber at prices comparable to Menards. They deliver free on $1000 orders.

The days of me needing $1k of lumber at a time are also pretty much dead and gone.

 

[BugI02]

Did I mention bandanas and home-made cloth masks?

Did you mention otherwise? In addition to wearing a mask involuntarily, are you now also insisting that people buy surgical quality disposable masks? Or worse yet N95s? Because I assure you, the lion's share of the masks I see being worn by the public are indeed improvised. So, do you have no data saying improvised masks will make us 'safer' or perhaps were you referring to PPE grade masks all along and know of readily available sources for everyone to aquire them readily?

 

[Snapdragon]

Did you mention otherwise? In addition to wearing a mask involuntarily, are you now also insisting that people buy surgical quality disposable masks? Or worse yet N95s? Because I assure you, the lion's share of the masks I see being worn by the public are indeed improvised. So, do you have no data saying improvised masks will make us 'safer' or perhaps were you referring to PPE grade masks all along and know of readily available sources for everyone to aquire them readily?

Surgical masks are $1 at Menards, no?

Also this from Cambridge University

Homemade cloth masks with a coffee filter liner are actually pretty effective.

 

[Route 45]

This whole thing is not even about masks.

I would bet a hefty sum that if Menards had the opposite policy during this pandemic (no masks allowed due to theft concerns), the same oppositional-defiant afflicted personalities here would be screaming about their right to wear a mask to protect themselves.

So I get to chuckle at these internet "patriots" who always seem to know better than the "sheeple" who can't "see through the lies."

It's all so much impotent rage. It's a business taking a policy that they think will help keep their customers safer. Don't like it? Go lick the doorknobs at another establishment. I went to Menards the other day for a couple of items and wore my mask for the entire 20 minutes. Surely the republic has fallen.

It's easy to thump your chest on the internet as you savor the fantasies of crossing the Delaware with Washington in your head. But where the rubber meets the road, it's just virtual cosplay. Like the "patriots" who showed up armed in Texas to defend a bar's opening against the government restrictions. Only that was actual cosplay.

Impotent. Rage.

 

[Snapdragon]

This whole thing is not even about masks.

I would bet a hefty sum that if Menards had the opposite policy during this pandemic (no masks allowed due to theft concerns), the same oppositional-defiant afflicted personalities here would be screaming about their right to wear a mask to protect themselves.

So I get to chuckle at these internet "patriots" who always seem to know better than the "sheeple" who can't "see through the lies."

It's all so much impotent rage. It's a business taking a policy that they think will help keep their customers safer. Don't like it? Go lick the doorknobs at another establishment. I went to Menards the other day for a couple of items and wore my mask for the entire 20 minutes. Surely the republic has fallen.

It's easy to thump your chest on the internet as you savor the fantasies of crossing the Delaware with Washington in your head. But where the rubber meets the road, it's just virtual cosplay. Like the "patriots" who showed up armed in Texas to defend a bar's opening against the government restrictions. Only that was actual cosplay.

Impotent. Rage.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Route 45 again.

 

[vtxrecruiter]

Lowes and Home Depot ALSO give Veteran Discount and Menards DOES NOT...

I pretty much used to hit any big box home improvement store but Menards does the 11% rebate which paid for our new fridge with the rebates from the Kitchen remodel we did.
BUT they don't give vets a discount.
I found out that Lowes and Home Depot DO! and I find that their project type lumber ( 1x4, 1x6, etc.... ) is way better than the warped, twisted, bowed, cupped crap that Camby Menards has...
So with the new mask BS, I am not going to give Manards my money either.

 

[2A_Tom]

This whole thing is not even about masks.

I would bet a hefty sum that if Menards had the opposite policy during this pandemic (no masks allowed due to theft concerns), the same oppositional-defiant afflicted personalities here would be screaming about their right to wear a mask to protect themselves.

That is Idiotic, I Openly Carry. I am light sensitive, so, I wear dark glasses. I always take them off when I enter a bank or business.

I am not in a panic. I went to Church yesterday and counted 8 people wearing masks. There were several hundred people on the first floor, I could only see a tiny section of the balcony and there were maybe 50 in that section.

 

[BugI02]

Did I mention bandanas and home-made cloth masks?

But if I had, here you go.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

Edited to add one more.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

Neither cite actually includes any proof or reference to a paper that proves that home made masks make us any safer. In fact the Mayo cite refers back to the CDC recommendation. 'Masks make us safer' is an opinion, an unwarranted extrapolation from the limited set of circumstances within which surgical quality PPE is considered appropriate. But I could be wrong, I'm open to a change in my conclusion if you can cite actual controlled scientific testing showing that home made masks will make us safer when we reopen and are in more frequent close contact with a broader, more random mix of people. I predict you won't find that testing because the minuscule reductions possible by such uncontrolled, as to design and materials, improvised PPE - if actually rigorously tested - would give the lie to the 'masks make us safer' fiction


A study from 2015, pre-hysteria

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.


Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

'Conventional wisdom' often isn't even wisdom

 

[1775usmarine]

I pretty much used to hit any big box home improvement store but Menards does the 11% rebate which paid for our new fridge with the rebates from the Kitchen remodel we did.
BUT they don't give vets a discount.
I found out that Lowes and Home Depot DO! and I find that their project type lumber ( 1x4, 1x6, etc.... ) is way better than the warped, twisted, bowed, cupped crap that Camby Menards has...
So with the new mask BS, I am not going to give Manards my money either.

Ive aleays shopped at Lowe's especially after offering the 10% online and in store around the time we moved into our home. I imagine we've spent thousands on home improvement and tools for the home there. Heck we even got 10% off stuff on Black Friday deals.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That is Idiotic, I Openly Carry. I am light sensitive, so, I wear dark glasses. I always take them off when I enter a bank or business.

I am not in a panic. I went to Church yesterday and counted 8 people wearing masks. There were several hundred people on the first floor, I could only see a tiny section of the balcony and there were maybe 50 in that section.

One of the long range forecasts I saw today were hinting at 90F temperatures in a matter of days. I have a feeling you’ll see far fewer masks by then.

 

[Snapdragon]

One of the long range forecasts I saw today were hinting at 90F temperatures in a matter of days. I have a feeling you’ll see far fewer masks by then.

How many stores and businesses are 90 degrees indoors?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

How many stores and businesses are 90 degrees indoors?

Not many. Why?