Losing patience with Menards

[Snapdragon]

Not many. Why?

Then why is the temperature forecast so significant to the wearing or not wearing of masks?

 

[Ingomike]

Smackdown by Ingomike? Meh, I'll take him seriously when he can back up the 'COVID numbers are the same as the flu' nonsense he pulled out of thin air in the other thread. Still waiting.

First off anyone that wants to see will see the C-19 numbers are within the ranges of similar respiratory diseases with different demographic groups affected more than others. And that is even with the CDC pushing numbers up 25%.

So so no it is not "pulled out of thin air" it is from personal analysis of what is transpiring , not relying on biased media sources to tell me what to think.

I believe if Acme vacuum cleaner says their product is better than a competitor it is their burden to prove so, and not just with their opinion, if you believe the C-19 is the considerably worse than the other strains of respiratory diseases humans deal with it is your burden to prove that. My statements that C-19 is not worse than other respiratory diseases, commonly called the flu, are there for you to refute, but you will either link to an opinion or recite how it is different, which it is hence the novel, because complete data is not in to prove it...

I believe the boy crying wolf has the obligation to point out the wolf, not the townspeople to prove the wolf is not there...

 

[Snapdragon]

First off anyone that wants to see will see the C-19 numbers are within the ranges of similar respiratory diseases with different demographic groups affected more than others. And that is even with the CDC pushing numbers up 25%.

So so no it is not "pulled out of thin air" it is from personal analysis of what is transpiring , not relying on biased media sources to tell me what to think.

I believe if Acme vacuum cleaner says their product is better than a competitor it is their burden to prove so, and not just with their opinion, if you believe the C-19 is the considerably worse than the other strains of respiratory diseases humans deal with it is your burden to prove that. My statements that C-19 is not worse than other respiratory diseases, commonly called the flu, are there for you to refute, but you will either link to an opinion or recite how it is different, which it is hence the novel, because complete data is not in to prove it...

I believe the boy crying wolf has the obligation to point out the wolf, not the townspeople to prove the wolf is not there...

Still waiting...

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Then why is the temperature forecast so significant to the wearing or not wearing of masks?

My theory is that it’s one thing for most people to wear these things while they’re breathing in nice, cool, dry air. But when it’s 90F and 90% humidity out there, trying to suck that air into your lungs through those things will be quite a bit harder. It’s easy to join in the fad when it’s convenient and only marginally uncomfortable. I’ll bet in a couple weeks this fad will have run its course and the arrival of summer-like temperatures will all but end it.

 

[printcraft]

Much like walmart, there is nothing there I can't get someplace else.

I'll just skip them until the craziness is over.

 

[JettaKnight]

I believe the boy crying wolf has the obligation to point out the wolf, not the townspeople to prove the wolf is not there...

Ok, ok, ok... You do realize that lots of people are crying wolf, right?


Every time some little inconvenience or minor policy comes up, the INGOtarians are quick to point out the perceived infringement and "power grab" and loss of freedumb. INGO is littered with, "I'll never shop at X again!", and these Mye-Rites! threads get old. I mean how many are active right now? WOLF! WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!


And after hearing all the time, so many of us have become tone deaf to cries.

 

[BugI02]

Ok, ok, ok... You do realize that lots of people are crying wolf, right?


Every time some little inconvenience or minor policy comes up, the INGOtarians are quick to point out the perceived infringement and "power grab" and loss of freedumb. INGO is littered with, "I'll never shop at X again!", and these Mye-Rites! threads get old. I mean how many are active right now? WOLF! WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!


And after hearing all the time, so many of us have become tone deaf to cries.

What leaves people wondering is why folks can't be satisfied to control their own actions but want to control the actions of others as well. I'm not arguing that Menard's is not within their rights to engage in safety theatre, just like Dick's was within their rights to stop selling [STRIKE]evil death machines[/STRIKE] firearms. I see the 'Menard's is making us safer' argument as just as specious as a 'Dick's is making us safer' argument.

Pretty diagrams on mask effectiveness for which I can't find their claimed source (the 5 Apr 20 NYT article) in order to read the claimed second hand cite of University research.or diagrams which are also not sourced, such as the claimed cambridge university one that deals with particle sizes of 0.65 micron to 1.1 micron (4x to 9x of the virus size), and for some reason show the surgical mask as slightly less effective at screening particles of all sizes while the cloth mask gains 8% efficiency in similar circumstances make me question (and want to read) what the experimental method was

So, to me, the question of mask efficacy is wide open and I am aware that encouraging as many people as possible to be masked does contribute to the visual impression that we're not safe and things cannot go back to normal. I am left wondering if it is security theatre on a par with TSA

 

[Route 45]

Still waiting...

 

[HoughMade]

What evs...I went to Menards Friday and bought 50,000+ squ. feet worth of lawn fertilizer. My experience was not impeded by a few grams of paper over my magnificent face. If a person has a hard time breathing through a mask, they should probably self-isolate.

 

[Ingomike]

Neither cite actually includes any proof or reference to a paper that proves that home made masks make us any safer. In fact the Mayo cite refers back to the CDC recommendation. 'Masks make us safer' is an opinion, an unwarranted extrapolation from the limited set of circumstances within which surgical quality PPE is considered appropriate. But I could be wrong, I'm open to a change in my conclusion if you can cite actual controlled scientific testing showing that home made masks will make us safer when we reopen and are in more frequent close contact with a broader, more random mix of people. I predict you won't find that testing because the minuscule reductions possible by such uncontrolled, as to design and materials, improvised PPE - if actually rigorously tested - would give the lie to the 'masks make us safer' fiction


A study from 2015, pre-hysteria

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers




'Conventional wisdom' often isn't even wisdom

Interesting find...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BugI02 again.

 

[Ingomike]

Still waiting...

Prove it is worse or get lost. You are the one making a claim, I say the numbers are similar to other respiratory diseases humans deal with all the time, and they are, and we do not wear masks for that...

 

[Snapdragon]

Prove it is worse or get lost. You are the one making a claim, I say the numbers are similar to other respiratory diseases humans deal with all the time, and they are, and we do not wear masks for that...

So show me these numbers. Am I to believe it simply because you say it?

 

[2A_Tom]

This whole thing is not even about masks.

I would bet a hefty sum that if Menards had the opposite policy during this pandemic (no masks allowed due to theft concerns), the same oppositional-defiant afflicted personalities here would be screaming about their right to wear a mask to protect themselves.

On furthur reflection, yes I would complain. Not because I could not wear one but because there are a lot of people that have bought into the panic and they should be allowed to take the precautions they deem necessary.

I would likely e mail them.

But I would walk in and buy the piece of shelving and new mail box I was originally going to buy.

 

[Route 45]

So show me these numbers. Am I to believe it simply because you say it?

It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Route 45]

On furthur reflection, yes I would complain.

 

[Ingomike]

Ok, ok, ok... You do realize that lots of people are crying wolf, right?


Every time some little inconvenience or minor policy comes up, the INGOtarians are quick to point out the perceived infringement and "power grab" and loss of freedumb. INGO is littered with, "I'll never shop at X again!", and these Mye-Rites! threads get old. I mean how many are active right now? WOLF! WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!


And after hearing all the time, so many of us have become tone deaf to cries.

You fail to even understand the story. You have a much higher intellect than that.

While I agree that there are a lot of threads complaining about this or that and they can get old. Snap is crying wolf and will not back up the assertion that C-19 is way worse than the other respiratory diseases humans regularly deal with and that they are well within their rights to force other to do as they say because it is so much worse. No matter how unproven it is...

 

[Snapdragon]

You fail to even understand the story. You have a much higher intellect than that.

While I agree that there are a lot of threads complaining about this or that and they can get old. Snap is crying wolf and will not back up the assertion that C-19 is way worse than the other respiratory diseases humans regularly deal with and that they are well within their rights to force other to do as they say because it is so much worse. No matter how unproven it is...

I did not assert that COVID was worse than the flu. You asserted that it was the same, and I asked you to back that assertion up. Despite repeated requests, you did not.

This was my original post questioning your assertion.

The virus numbers appear similar to flu.

Source?

 

[churchmouse]

And the numbers you all seek are freaking "everyfreaking" WHERE SO STOP ARGUING JUST FOR THE SACK OF IT OR I WILL SHUT THIS GOAT ROPE DOWN.

 

[Snapdragon]

And the numbers you all seek are freaking "everyfreaking" WHERE SO STOP ARGUING JUST FOR THE SACK OF IT OR I WILL SHUT THIS GOAT ROPE DOWN.

Funny how nobody has been able to produce them in the six days I've been asking for them. Also funny how asking someone to back up claims they pulled out of their ass is arguing for the sake of arguing.

OK, I will leave you all to your *****ing and moaning, since that's all this really is about anyway.

 

[BugI02]

On furthur reflection, yes I would complain. Not because I could not wear one but because there are a lot of people that have bought into the panic and they should be allowed to take the precautions they deem necessary.

I would likely e mail them.

But I would walk in and buy the piece of shelving and new mail box I was originally going to buy.

At one dollar per customer bought protective mask, I wonder what the mark-up is compared to what Menard's pays per mask. Perhaps a new profit center? Require something to enter and then sell it outside, for 'convenience', at a 500% mark-up