MASSIVE TRUMP RALLY HEADING TO DOWNTOWN PORTLAND

[Biggredchev]

The blame for starting this is not on the police as a whole. It was a couple ****ty cops. Allowing it to continue is also not the fault of the police, its the cheifs, mayors, DAs, etc. The officers hands are bound. Im sure they would throw all these antifa losers in a van, charge them with terrorism, and lock them up if they could but they cant.

Also I think its bull**** they are charging Kyle Rittenhouse with homicide. He protected himself from literal terrorists, they are beyond a nuisance at this point.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

What do the cops swear a oath to?

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[Biggredchev]

What do the cops swear a oath to?

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Serve and protect? Its difficult to do when your bound by your superior. Anyway, Your point?

 

[actaeon277]

Rioters posing as press taken by surprise when they were all arrested by Portland Police
[video=youtube;mWj0hzOC-bg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWj0hzOC-bg[/video]

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Serve and protect? Its difficult to do when your bound by your superior. Anyway, Your point?

Don't they also.take a.oath to uphold the constitution,?

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[qwerty]

Don't they also.take a.oath to uphold the constitution,?

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So I guess we can arrest them for that then? What should I put on my charging form.... "He broke the Constitution"?

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

So I guess we can arrest them for that then? What should I put on my charging form.... "He broke the Constitution"?

Just asking questions.

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[qwerty]

Just asking questions.

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You are correct; the first part is generally to support and defend the Constitution. The issue is enforcement. Local courts deal with the ordinance and state statute. Are there laws that can be considered constitutional enforcement? Sure. I guess it depends on what specifically you are referring to. The problem in Portland is that they are releasing them as fast as they are being arrested. It causes issues downstream when arresting them is nothing other than transporting them from point A to point B only to find them back again the same night. Even the shooter was recently arrested and released on a weapon charge.

Andy Ngo has been documenting this: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

 

[Alpo]

So I guess we can arrest them for that then? What should I put on my charging form.... "He broke the Constitution"?

Sedition.

 

[qwerty]

Sedition.

Judge is going to want an IC to reference.

 

[NKBJ]

I'm not trying to be smart a$$ but read the chapters around that verse to get the flavor of what is going on.. something ive learned and I will see this alot from liberals ( and I used to do it) but verses by themselves don't hold much meaning, you have to dig for the context of that verse..dont get me wrong, there are verses that are cut and dry but maybe if look at context, It will help.. example is turn the other cheek, that doesn't apply to some trying to kill you or your family, its intended for when people are slandering you or even throwing rotten eggs etc. Another BIG misconception is DONT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.. well it doesn't mean dont lie although other places it is let known to us that got does not like lying lips but what it really refers to is to witness or testifie against someone falsely.. especially when that person is in a position of being judged by false witness..

But in short, context is everything, the Bible is used to interpret the Bible, not man's flawed heart. Our writers of the constitution modeled it much in the same way, if your looking for a meaning of something not obvious, you look at the constitution to interpret its meaning

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Well said, sir.
One should not bend scripture to further political agendas.

 

[NKBJ]

I'd like to see President Trump spend about five or ten minutes speaking to sedition in his inaugural address.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Well said, sir.
One should not bend scripture to further political agendas.

I'm not sure that is not ok. CHRIST was executed for political reasons.
If those lessons are not taught, that leaves a opening for the ones that wickedness to creep in and write history the way they want(which they are already doing) jmo

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[TangoFoxtrot]

Sedition.

Sedition would be a good start but in part what was going through that back of my head is regardless of the order their superiors give them,
They do the right thing and makes these arrests and throw them in the laps of the prosecutors , DAs, governors and let them make the wrong choices.(that definitely give opponents something for debates) A lot of bad things have happen because "I was just following orders" we are supposed to do whats right regardless of the consequences.

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[2A_Tom]

Would someone please cite the USC or IC or any State code on Sedition.

My understand is that the The Sedition Act of 1798, July 10, 1798, expired on March 3, 1801.
https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1700s/The-Sedition-Act-of-1798/

The Sedition Act of 1918, was repealed on December 13, 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

I found this.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

18 U.S. Code § 2384.Seditious conspiracyU.S. Code



If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.


(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

 

[2A_Tom]

I started a new thread here,

[h=1]The implications of Christ's Command to Love Your Neighbor, in the world today.[/h]
For anyone that may be interested. I quotes the pertinent posts from above in the OP.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Would someone please cite the USC or IC or any State code on Sedition.

My understand is that the The Sedition Act of 1798, July 10, 1798, expired on March 3, 1801.
https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1700s/The-Sedition-Act-of-1798/

The Sedition Act of 1918, was repealed on December 13, 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

I found this.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

I wish they would use that power even though dont agree with it
I dont agree it because the declaration of independence clearly states the only legitimate government is one with the consent of the people and through out other articles lays out peaceful ways to address a government that no longer has consent and then in federalist papers and constitution we find part of the reason for 2nd amendment is to have a last ditch means to cast off a tyranny.
So under above article they have basically thumbed their noses it and basically given themselves permission to thwart a legitimate uprising (and no i dont think whats happening is legitimate) but what if the time comes that vast majority of Americans agree both democrats and republican that our government is no longer legitmate and they ignore our peaceful means of change?

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[2A_Tom]

If we get a Republican Majority in congress he can use it after the election.

 

[2A_Tom]

 

[DragonGunner]

I'm not trying to be smart a$$ but read the chapters around that verse to get the flavor of what is going on.. something ive learned and I will see this alot from liberals ( and I used to do it) but verses by themselves don't hold much meaning, you have to dig for the context of that verse..dont get me wrong, there are verses that are cut and dry but maybe if look at context, It will help.. example is turn the other cheek, that doesn't apply to some trying to kill you or your family, its intended for when people are slandering you or even throwing rotten eggs etc. Another BIG misconception is DONT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.. well it doesn't mean dont lie although other places it is let known to us that got does not like lying lips but what it really refers to is to witness or testifie against someone falsely.. especially when that person is in a position of being judged by false witness..

But in short, context is everything, the Bible is used to interpret the Bible, not man's flawed heart. Our writers of the constitution modeled it much in the same way, if your looking for a meaning of something not obvious, you look at the constitution to interpret its meaning

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Agree but why are you telling me this? I was responding to another member....that member I believe is who you want to address, not me. I could of gone further into it as you did but wanted to keep it brief as to not break any rules on "religion" and wanted that OP to think....he never responded so I did not go into more detail as you did. Context and correct interpretation go a long way.