The 2020 General Election Thread

[indyartisan]

Is getting beat in an election by a guy with dementia similar to losing boxing match to a guy with no arms?

Will the ref call foul on the head but or was the fix in?

 

[BugI02]

I have not seen a mail-in ballot from any of the places in question. I do not know what steps get taken to verify the authenticity of mail-in ballots. I do not know if users of mail-in ballots waive their right to a secret ballot when using mail-in ballots in those states in question.

I voted absentee in person in Marion County Indiana, so I can tell you what I saw there.

I checked in with a poll worker who scanned my driver's license. She then handed me a blank card with a 3D barcode printed across the bottom. I inserted that card into a machine and made my electoral selections from an interactive touch screen. After I made all my selections I was prompted to review them for accuracy and touch "print". My actual selections were printed in plain text on the barcoded card. My name was not printed in plain text anywhere on the card. Upon removing the printed card from the machine I then handed the completed card to another poll worker who scanned the barcode. At that time my voter information (name, address, precinct, etc) were displayed on a screen and I was asked to verify the info. Upon doing so I was prompted to sign a digital touchpad by a poll worker who then compared my signature from today with my signature from my previous election sign-in. I then folded my completed and verified ballot and placed it into the provided envelope. The poll worker signed a box on the envelope and asked another to check and sign as well. Only after that was I allowed to place my completed, sealed ballot in the lockbox.

I write this all to make the point that Indiana seems to take ballot security pretty seriously. Ballots are serialized and assigned to voters individually, not pre-printed en-masse. If someone wants to defraud the election by adding ballots they can't run to Kinko's and print what they need...they need to have registered voters attached to them...voters who haven't already voted or been scrubbed from the roles.

Do you have evidence to suggest that other states implement any fewer ballot security measures than Indiana does? Or that those measures were/are at all unsuccessful in identifying fraudulent votes? Or that fraudulent votes would not be identifiable upon audit?

I'll go out on a limb and assert that you do not.

My in person early voting went down very similarly, with the difference that after I verified my identity only tghen was the printed record scanned, then I was handed my printed record and placed it myself into a drop box for paper records of votes

But that is not apples to apples. I would have no problem even with absentee mail in voting, because there are procedures in place to verify the identity and validity of the voter before they are issued a ballot. In mail in voting, every voter is sent a ballot with no effort made to verify that they are an eligible voter, and these provide a durable source of fraud because once they are taken out of their privacy envelope they have no other identifying marks so there is no unique record of the vote that can later be checked against the voter's memory of how they voted in case of a discrepancy nor can they be seperated out should a court uphold a finding of fraud

 

[Kutnupe14]

According to Trump, he just got beat by the worst candidate ever!

A sleepy dude with dementia, in his twilight years, hiding in a basement, no less.

 

[BugI02]

Only thing that explains why things were slow rolled in so many cities.

At the beginning of the night, it sounded like they were counting all of the absentee/mail in ballots first.

But obviously not everywhere. Why else would they stop completely in so many places. How can you count 80-90% of the vote in one evening but it takes days to count the rest??

Because the votes come in 100k+ at one time in the dead of night on thumb drives?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

A sleepy dude with dementia, in his twilight years, hiding in a basement, no less.

Yeah... seems unlikely for a guy like that to win, doesn't it.

 

[BugI02]

Is getting beat in an election by a guy with dementia similar to losing boxing match to a guy with no arms?

It's not about the sock puppet, it's about whose hand is up his ***

Given that virtually all the media, all of social media and every Dem apparatchik was willing to defeat Trump BAMN and could just barely pull it off only via massive fraud, It doesn't seem like something to brag about

 

[ChristianPatriot]

A sleepy dude with dementia, in his twilight years, hiding in a basement, no less.

If everything stands as it is, this loss is 100% on Trump. It’s possible, though not likely, that his big personality won him the election in ‘16. It for sure lost him the election this time around. He’s just so darn unlikeable, despite the positive outcomes his policies have had for the country.

 

[BugI02]

According to Trump, he just got beat by the worst candidate ever!

No, I believe Trump beat the worst candidate ever in 2016

 

[mmpsteve]

Is getting beat in an election by a guy with dementia similar to losing boxing match to a guy with no arms?

I would say it is very much like ... no, strike that, it is exactly like getting beat by an army of zombies, operating purely on misguided instinct, because their brains have turned to mush. Just one man's opinion.

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[dieselrealtor]

Anyone watch Weekend at Bernie's?

 

[foszoe]

No, I believe Trump beat the worst candidate ever in 2016

Well, I think I'll just topple my king now

 

[Tombs]

If everything stands as it is, this loss is 100% on Trump. It’s possible, though not likely, that his big personality won him the election in ‘16. It for sure lost him the election this time around. He’s just so darn unlikeable, despite the positive outcomes his policies have had for the country.

That seems like a pretty subjective thing.

 

[BugI02]

So that brings us to the constitutional solution. This one is more elegant, but it still requires a heady dose of chutzpah. As noted, under Article II of the U.S. Constitution, the state legislatures are solely responsible for determining how each state’s electors are appointed. If a legislature were convinced that the presidential election in that state was tainted, it could convene and pass an emergency resolution declaring the election null and void and then choose to appoint a slate of electors by fiat. Since the claim of misconduct is being made by Republicans against Democrats, you can assume that it would take Republican-controlled legislatures to make such a bold move.


Fortuitously, Republicans do control both houses of the legislature in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona. Nevada alone among the contested states has a Democratic legislature. If legislators are convinced that the presidency has been wrested out of Republican hands through chicanery or corruption, they could set the matter right by exercising their constitutional prerogative. This is a heavy lift also, but if states intend to ever exercise their authority under our federal system of government, there would be no more appropriate time to do so than when one party seeks to arrogate unto itself power that it has not earned through a free and fair election.

My prayers are currently running towards asking divine intervention so that some of those legislatures realize that they have a pair

 

[Kutnupe14]

If everything stands as it is, this loss is 100% on Trump. It’s possible, though not likely, that his big personality won him the election in ‘16. It for sure lost him the election this time around. He’s just so darn unlikeable, despite the positive outcomes his policies have had for the country.

His personality, his celebrity, and the fact he was an outsider. At least that’s what a lot of his supporters tried to convince themselves as to the reason. I personally don’t buy that, but can’t go much further than that without half of INGO going into meltdown, and whining more than they currently are. I also don’t think he had the chops to effectively run the office.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

His personality, his celebrity, and the fact he was an outsider. At least that’s what a lot of his supporters tried to convince themselves as to the reason. I personally don’t buy that, but can’t go much further than that without half of INGO going into meltdown, and whining more than they currently are. I also don’t think he had the chops to effectively run the office.

The Pence/Harris debate was a great example of what Trump’s presidency would look like without Trump. Pence consistently showed a superior knowledge of policy and debating, while Harris was just trying to make it the oppression Olympics. Because that is the only debate that the left ever has. They can’t win on policy, so they have to play a twisted game of superior morality based on misplaced empathy.

 

[mmpsteve]

If everything stands as it is, this loss is 100% on Trump. It’s possible, though not likely, that his big personality won him the election in ‘16. It for sure lost him the election this time around. He’s just so darn unlikeable, despite the positive outcomes his policies have had for the country.

I pretty much voted for the positive outcomes, the first time on a hope, the second time on a prayer. What really did him in was the China plague and the perceived handling of it, with the help of the MSM. Like anyone else could have handled it better.

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[Kutnupe14]

The Pence/Harris debate was a great example of what Trump’s presidency would look like without Trump. Pence consistently showed a superior knowledge of policy and debating, while Harris was just trying to make it the oppression Olympics. Because that is the only debate that the left ever has. They can’t win on policy, so they have to play a twisted game of superior morality based on misplaced empathy.

Pence destroyed his legacy hitching to Trump. He was a solid Republican before he got roped into that fiasco. I have every confidence he disagreed with a great many things the president did and said.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I pretty much voted for the positive outcomes, the first time on a hope, the second time on a prayer. What really did him in was the China plague and the perceived handling of it, with the help of the MSM. Like anyone else could have handled it better.

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He lied about it a fair bit too.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Pence destroyed his legacy hitching to Trump. He was a solid Republican before he got roped into that fiasco. I have every confidence he disagreed with a great many things the president did and said.

Destroyed his legacy is a bit much, but yes I completely agree that Pence probably consistently disagreed with how Trump went about his business. Pence is a reserved, staunchly Christian man. So he and Trump were definitely the Odd Couple. That is what is so frustrating about trying to have discussions with the left about politics. 90% of the arguments are about how Conservatives/Republicans are just bad people. Everyone and everything is racist/sexist/homophobic. It’s a very effective way of deflecting all discussions about actual solutions.

 

[Tombs]

His personality, his celebrity, and the fact he was an outsider. At least that’s what a lot of his supporters tried to convince themselves as to the reason. I personally don’t buy that, but can’t go much further than that without half of INGO going into meltdown, and whining more than they currently are. I also don’t think he had the chops to effectively run the office.

I think you're missing the key component to the secret sauce, probably something you know but just didn't note.

It isn't just being an "outsider." Lots have claimed that. It's that someone with no real political background, who was aggressively attacked from both sides every step of the way, was able to attain the highest position of power in the country. Something most of us had lost faith in being possible.

That's an absurdly powerful thing. It changes how one views the system its self.

It doesn't matter if it was a ham sandwich that managed to do it. It's the symbology of it.