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    Yeah I was using spam can stuff.

    I'm just saying a 3 MOA expectation is probably high for the Mosin.
    Can't disagree if we're talking about a Soviet era refurb.
    All depends on the bore condition and the individual rifle. The ex-sniper rifles are certainly more than capable of that.
    Wouldn't bet on that. Sniper models of the 91/30 are simply regular rifles with a scope added, and not specially selected. Do a little better job polishing trigger parts and the external surfaces to allow mount fitting and that's it.
     

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    Wouldn't bet on that. Sniper models of the 91/30 are simply regular rifles with a scope added, and not specially selected. Do a little better job polishing trigger parts and the external surfaces to allow mount fitting and that's it.
    Wow, I didn't know that! So how come they're so danged expensive compared to "regular" rifles?? Stupidity on the purchaser's part?
     
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    Wow, I didn't know that! So how come they're so danged expensive compared to "regular" rifles?? Stupidity on the purchaser's part?
    Less common and most folks assume sniper rifle=more accurate. Soviet sniper doctrine is closer to what we would consider a designated marksman role rather than a true sniper. Intention was to give a soldier who's a better than average shot and more skilled in sneaky tactics a rifle capable of somewhat longer effective range with some degree of precision, not a rifle capable of head shots at half a mile.
     
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    O.k, found my copy of the translated Soviet manual on the Mosin. The acceptance accuracy standard for the PU sniper was 8 cm at 100 meters. About 3.15" at a bit over 109 yards. The standard for the regular 91/30 infantry rifle was 15 cm at 100 meters. 5.9" at 109 yards. Those are 4 shot groups also. So, yes, the accuracy required for the sniper rifles was higher than the regular rifle but don't forget it is also equipped with a scope!
    By way of comparison, according to Doug Bowser in "Rifles of the White Death", a Finnish M-39 didn't leave the factory unless it shot better than 1.3" at 100 yards.
     

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    We expect pics tomorrow evening!
    Got it home the bore and bolt still has cosmoline. Came with the bayonet has a sling attached and in bag of accessories, looks like oil can. leather pouch, another sling, spam can opener and more stuff.
     

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    O.k, found my copy of the translated Soviet manual on the Mosin. The acceptance accuracy standard for the PU sniper was 8 cm at 100 meters. About 3.15" at a bit over 109 yards. The standard for the regular 91/30 infantry rifle was 15 cm at 100 meters. 5.9" at 109 yards. Those are 4 shot groups also. So, yes, the accuracy required for the sniper rifles was higher than the regular rifle but don't forget it is also equipped with a scope!
    By way of comparison, according to Doug Bowser in "Rifles of the White Death", a Finnish M-39 didn't leave the factory unless it shot better than 1.3" at 100 yards.
    I guess me hoping for 3 in groups is not going to happen if lucky can hit a pie plate 4 out of 4
     
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    I guess me hoping for 3 in groups is not going to happen if lucky can hit a pie plate 4 out of 4
    That's just the standard. In my experience, most are capable of being much better. Also need to remember that was with most likely crap ammo made under wartime duress. With decent quality commercial ammo I can think of only one that I've had that couldn't beat 5" handily. It was a 1944 ex-sniper(!) with a bore that looked like it was rifled with a hammer and chisel.
     

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    when refurbed did they put new barrel and bolt head in them? Going to take some time to get all the goo out looks like its under hand guard, inside bolt. Its just everywhere that could not be wiped off without disassembly.
     

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    Can't disagree if we're talking about a Soviet era refurb.

    Wouldn't bet on that. Sniper models of the 91/30 are simply regular rifles with a scope added, and not specially selected. Do a little better job polishing trigger parts and the external surfaces to allow mount fitting and that's it.
    Wow, I didn't know that! So how come they're so danged expensive compared to "regular" rifles?? Stupidity on the purchaser's part?
    I have quite a few plain 91/30`s and 1 Remington that was sporterized ........it made me do some research also .
    Can`t find much that implies that the Snipers were superior over the standard that warrants the extra $$$$$ .
    Other than what has already been mentioned as the differences , add in the bent bolt ....... That hardly makes the sniper versions worth what most try to get out of them .
     

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    Got it home the bore and bolt still has cosmoline. Came with the bayonet has a sling attached and in bag of accessories, looks like oil can. leather pouch, another sling, spam can opener and more stuff.
    Congrats, that sure lokks like a nice one, especially with all the accessories. Is it a numbers-matching one? That would be even better. Have a great time shooting that great looking rifle. There's something about taking the time to run the bolt on a neat piece of history...even if it is a Commie rifle, LOL. Careful though...once you get ONE it usually leads to wanting another of a different model!
     
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    when refurbed did they put new barrel and bolt head in them? Going to take some time to get all the goo out looks like its under hand guard, inside bolt. Its just everywhere that could not be wiped off without disassembly.
    Nope. Literally took them down to the last screw, cleaned all the metal and reblued those parts, refinished the stock then reassembled and serials restamped. Not done on an individual rifle basis either but in bulk lots.
     
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    I have quite a few plain 91/30`s and 1 Remington that was sporterized ........it made me do some research also .
    Can`t find much that implies that the Snipers were superior over the standard that warrants the extra $$$$$ .
    Other than what has already been mentioned as the differences , add in the bent bolt ....... That hardly makes the sniper versions worth what most try to get out of them .
    From a strictly shooter's standpoint, yeah, I'll agree. From a collecting point of view that's different. An ex-sniper might be worth a slight premium as it is a rarer version than a plain jane 91/30, an actual sniper, yes I can see paying significantly more for as those are even rarer yet.
     

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    Congrats, that sure lokks like a nice one, especially with all the accessories. Is it a numbers-matching one? That would be even better. Have a great time shooting that great looking rifle. There's something about taking the time to run the bolt on a neat piece of history...even if it is a Commie rifle, LOL. Careful though...once you get ONE it usually leads to wanting another of a different model!
    numbers match on 3 places I looked, bayonet does not
     

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    Nope. Literally took them down to the last screw, cleaned all the metal and reblued those parts, refinished the stock then reassembled and serials restamped. Not done on an individual rifle basis either but in bulk lots.
    interesting won't know how barrel is until get it cleaned up, no signs of wear on anything but if polished up before blued and bolt face polished, I guess there would not be. serial starts with what looks like 2 backwards Ns
     

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    Got it home the bore and bolt still has cosmoline. Came with the bayonet has a sling attached and in bag of accessories, looks like oil can. leather pouch, another sling, spam can opener and more stuff.
    Congrats on your Mosin! I’m sure you’ll enjoy it! What year is stamped on yours? Mine is a 1943 Russian. Not the best year for quality but I think it’s cool owning something built during the height of WW2.
     

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    Congrats on your Mosin! I’m sure you’ll enjoy it! What year is stamped on yours? Mine is a 1943 Russian. Not the best year for quality but I think it’s cool owning something built during the height of WW2.
    mine is a 1942 have bolt soaking, will have to disassemble everything that grease is everywhere been thru bore 4 times and still getting goo out
     

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    mine is a 1942 have bolt soaking, will have to disassemble everything that grease is everywhere been thru bore 4 times and still getting goo out
    Non-chlorinated brake cleaner is your friend! Just don't get it on the wood, because it will strip the finish off that too.
     

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    go head to auto zone to and get a couple cans thanks for the advice
    It's going to warm up today, so just take all the metal parts outside and hose it down with the brake cleaner. After you get all the cosmoline stripped off, just give it a light coat of oil. I use a spray product. That will protect the metal from rusting since the brake cleaner strips everything off.

    This is what I use, but even just a very light coating of whatever kind of gun oil you have on hand (CLP, etc.) will work.

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    mine is a 1942 have bolt soaking, will have to disassemble everything that grease is everywhere been thru bore 4 times and still getting goo out
    To get the cosmoline off the stock I used the "sweat it out method."

    Wrap the wood in "something" absorbent and put it in a big, black trash bag. Set the bag in the sun and at the end of each day replace the now cosmoline infused absorbent material. Repeat till no more cosmoline is leeching out. I started with newspaper and ended with white cotton towels... it took about 2 weeks. Some people use chemicals and/or elbow grease, but I didn't want to damage the original finish.
     
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