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  • Sigblaster

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    I live in a neighborhood with a Neighborhood Association. It's NOT a Homeowner's Association. It has no teeth, and the dues are voluntary. The dues cover upkeep of small areas of common property, neighborhood ponds, snow removal, and the occasional neighborhood block party. They have no control over things like the height of your lawn, color of your house, type of fences allowed, or anything like that. That's the only reason I bought this house, because the association has no teeth. I would not live in an HOA neighborhood. I know people who do, and it can be a nightmare.

    I don't pay the dues, because they waste them in very stupid ways.

    I guess they elected a new association president a few years ago, and her and her husband are real (insert a word that would be blocked by the language filter).

    I first noticed this a couple years ago. While they have no control over many things, they can use the city code enforcement to harass people. For example, they can't control people parking their boats and RVs on their properties, but the city code says they can't be parked on grass. Some people keep boats parked here, and one of my neighbors kept his boat parked on the grass at the side of his house. Of course, "someone" called code enforcement and they came out and warned him about it. So he dropped a concrete pad there, and parks his boat in the exact same spot. I bet that burns their butts. ;)

    It gets worse.

    First, they spent the dues money to hire a lawyer to explore changing us from a NA to an HOA. Wasted money, thousands of dollars for a lawyer to tell them thay can't do that. Well, they can, but only for the people who agree to beconme part of the HOA. They didn't like that there would be many people in the neighborhood not subject to the HOA. Heck, I could have told them that for the cost of a six pack and a carton of smokes. Second, they were concerned about people selling their homes to companies that buy houses and turn them in to rental units, because "renters" bring property values down. You can read into the term "renters" what you want to, but we all know what it means. It gets more clear later in my post if you haven't figured it out. Anyways, they spent thousands on lawyers again to find out if they can add to the rules that you can't sell to a company, you must sell to an individual who plans to occupy the residence. I don't know what kind of idiot lawyer they hired to give them advice, but it's in the NA rules now. You can't sell to a company unless you've lived here for at least 3 years. LOL, that'll never survive a legal challenge.

    They went around they neighborhood trying to get signatures to change the rules for the whole renter thing, and I really tore into this woman. They came to my door, and her husband stood behind her with his mouth agape while I told her things that probably would have earned me a punch in the mouth from a man. I certainly wouldn't have let anyone talk to my wife the way I did, I don't care how big a man you are.

    So now we get to the most current drama, and my daughter getting banned from the neighborhood facebook page. :D

    Apparently, the president's husband has been complaining about how "new residents" are "bringing the neighborhood down". Well we all know what that means. I don't know what he means about "bringing the neighborhood down". It's a safe, clean nean neighborhood, and if you have the means to live here, then regardless of race, you are going to be a good neighbor and take care of your property. I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

    Next bit of drama, the NA runs a "yard of the month" competition, and they post the pictures of the best yards on their facebook page, and you get a sign in your yard if you win. One person who keeps a really nice yard with flowers and such never gets considered, and when they asked why, they were told that they couldn't get a good picture of the yard without their "Black Lives Matter" sign being in the picture. Oh, boy.

    Well, now apparently, there's someone who is selling a house in the neighborhood, and the listing includes the FACT that the NA dues are voluntary, and the president has been harassing the realtor to remove that FACT from the listing.

    So, that's how my daughter got banned from the neighborhood facebook page. I raised her to not be silent, and she wasn't. She called them out for all their BS. Proud of her.:)
     

    fullmetaljesus

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    I'm not going to lie. I thought you were building up to something like the presidents husband got caught banging the Gardner Edwardo in the tool shed, or the underaged daughter of the black family that moved in or something.

    Feel kinda let down can we at least get some of juice from your daughters post they considered ban worthy?
     

    cg21

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    I guess it depends what other “yard signs” are allowed in the Facebook yard contest. If nothing political is allowed then seems fair to me. After all they have no teeth like you said so of course they will flex where they can, and the Facebook page they run is certainly that.

    unless there are more facts to the story (I hate hoas mind you) I think maybe you’re reading too much into what they are saying? Renters do bring down neighborhoods typically, not all renters.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    I guess it depends what other “yard signs” are allowed in the Facebook yard contest. If nothing political is allowed then seems fair to me. After all they have no teeth like you said so of course they will flex where they can, and the Facebook page they run is certainly that.

    unless there are more facts to the story (I hate hoas mind you) I think maybe you’re reading too much into what they are saying? Renters do bring down neighborhoods typically, not all renters.
    I pretty much agree. Although while true that not all renters bring down neighborhoods, rental properties do bring down property values. At least more than a couple of them.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    @Sigblaster ... WOW! Just, WOW!!

    What you have described reminds me of the Postal Service: take the worst of public and private sector (in this case the worst of HOA and non-HOA) and you end up with something, well not good.

    Full-disclosure: I've been married to our HOA Board VP and FB Admin since the Reagan Administration. I was on the HOA board 2014-2018.

    First off: you have common expenses (common area grounds, ponds, bet you have lighting, possibly a sprinkler system, there is liability insurance too I bet) which are not free. Paying for them is voluntary. Houston, we have a problem.

    Using the town/city code enforcement: There's a difference between "my neighbor mowed and my grass now looks tall" and "the rag weeds are taller than the hood on my lawnmower", or to borrow the Jeff Foxworthy line, "Mowed your yard and found a car." Our last two vacant lots were owned by a different builder (at the entrance of the neighborhood). Since the owner/3rd party builder ignored both our reminder letter and strongly-worded memo it was a better use of our resources to wait until it hit the "town of Avon mows it and sends a bill" height of 12 inches. After the strongly-worded memo it gets more expensive because a lawyer sends a "terse memorandum" and that costs a lot more than the stamp.

    Not sure how establishing a HOA in an existing hood works. Sounds ugly. Changing the covenants requires 75% of owners eligible to vote concurring in writing. Seems like a similar standard would be in-place. May 2/3 since that's what it takes to dissolve one.

    So the problem with the organization isn't the organization, it's the people involved with running it and the entrenched bureaucracy? Wait, am I in the FBI/DOJ/ATF/DEA/IRS BS thread? Maybe the answer is, PEOPLE SUCK!!

    Would I like to live in the country with neighbors half-mile away? Yes. Do I? No.

    Neighborhood FB page: Do you have the guy who gets liquored-up and talks trash on the FB page? That guy is not that bad. My wife has put up with stuff that I flat out said the hammer would've dropped long before this on INGO. Then I had to explain the hammer reference :rofl:

    Anyway, best of luck.
     

    littletommy

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    Why would anybody want more rentals in their neighborhood? Why would anybody be upset that someone is trying to keep rentals OUT of the neighborhood?

    Oh, and we have a couple of black families in the neighborhood, and they don’t buy into the BLM nonsense, so you’re neighbor with the nice yard is probably a real piece of work to begin with.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    Thirty seven rentals in my neighborhood. Every one of them is a dump. They don't have any reason to mow, paint, clean gutters. Dealing is common. Their kids are little monsters. It's a valid concern. Blights on society for the most part.
    On the plus side, when SHTF they are storing my food for me.
    I honestly don't know just how many rentals are around me. But most that I know of are kept up pretty well. There are 2 that aren't, unfortunately one is next door to me the others a block or so away. The one next door the owner doesn't give a crap who rents from him as long as they have cash. We've been pretty lucky with the tenants for the most part, the ones that stay more than a short while have been pretty decent, but a few... As long as they have cash to pay the first months rent and deposit the landlord doesn't give a crap. It's a two unit converted house, the bottom half has had 3 tenants in the 15 yrs we've lived here and for almost 10 of those it was the same family. Not sure about the upstairs. The other rental next door the same guy has been living there for longer than 15 yrs, he's out there mowing the grass more than I do. I've seen him out there 2 and at least once 3 times a week. When I say next door I mean adjoining or close to properties, I've got 6 neighbors that our properties touch and a few more across the street and alley.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    Using the town/city code enforcement: There's a difference between "my neighbor mowed and my grass now looks tall" and "the rag weeds are taller than the hood on my lawnmower", or to borrow the Jeff Foxworthy line, "Mowed your yard and found a car." Our last two vacant lots were owned by a different builder (at the entrance of the neighborhood). Since the owner/3rd party builder ignored both our reminder letter and strongly-worded memo it was a better use of our resources to wait until it hit the "town of Avon mows it and sends a bill" height of 12 inches. After the strongly-worded memo it gets more expensive because a lawyer sends a "terse memorandum" and that costs a lot more than the stamp.

    A lot of that also depends on the code enforcement officer(s) involved. The one my town has now is pretty decent, if he gets a complaint he'll drive by and take a look. He may or may not stop. We had one for a short while that went looking for anything and everything he could. When he first got hired he wrote me up for something like 6-7 things, only one that was correct was I had a 6 inch strip of grass between my fence and the alley that was too tall. And not lose a car tall, I'm talking maybe 8-10 inches. I know another guy who he wrote up for having 2 paint cans in front of his garage, seriously. My firewood wasn't stacked neatly, my lawnmower was in my yard (actually in the driveway in front of my garage) and I can't remember what else. He didn't last too long.

    If the HA president is friends with code enforcement I could see it being a nightmare.
     

    littletommy

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    A lot of that also depends on the code enforcement officer(s) involved. The one my town has now is pretty decent, if he gets a complaint he'll drive by and take a look. He may or may not stop. We had one for a short while that went looking for anything and everything he could. When he first got hired he wrote me up for something like 6-7 things, only one that was correct was I had a 6 inch strip of grass between my fence and the alley that was too tall. And not lose a car tall, I'm talking maybe 8-10 inches. I know another guy who he wrote up for having 2 paint cans in front of his garage, seriously. My firewood wasn't stacked neatly, my lawnmower was in my yard (actually in the driveway in front of my garage) and I can't remember what else. He didn't last too long.

    If the HA president is friends with code enforcement I could see it being a nightmare.
    We had a code enforcement douchebag here that got fired for entering someones house to see what the homeowner was building in his basement! Apparently this idiot saw some packing material in the guys driveway (guy was installing a cabinet on his basement wall), and this absolute moron just waltzed right in the guys house and down the stairs to the basement.

    I’m not sure if they fired him or just reassigned him, but he’s not in the job anymore.
     

    patience0830

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    We had a code enforcement douchebag here that got fired for entering someones house to see what the homeowner was building in his basement! Apparently this idiot saw some packing material in the guys driveway (guy was installing a cabinet on his basement wall), and this absolute moron just waltzed right in the guys house and down the stairs to the basement.

    I’m not sure if they fired him or just reassigned him, but he’s not in the job anymore.
    Coming down the stairs to a fellers basement unannounced without an appointment or phone call hollering "code enforcement!" Might get one shot as a home invader. Maybe it's just me.
     

    littletommy

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    Coming down the stairs to a fellers basement unannounced without an appointment or phone call hollering "code enforcement!" Might get one shot as a home invader. Maybe it's just me.
    Or attacked by a couple of dogs that don’t like unexpected/uninvited guests.

    Either way, getting fired would have been the last thing on that guys mind if it had been my house. Hell, I get really pissed when somebody knocks on my door and interrupts whatever I’m doing, I can’t imagine having some fool just walking in.
     

    Ingomike

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    Not sure how establishing a HOA in an existing hood works. Sounds ugly. Changing the covenants requires 75% of owners eligible to vote concurring in writing. Seems like a similar standard would be in-place. May 2/3 since that's what it takes to dissolve one.
    As Sig said there is nothing they can do to make him join an HOA. To establish an HOA requires 100% agreement, different than changing a covenant.
     

    Ingomike

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    FYI, there can and often are covenants on property that has no HOA. Property covenants can exist without an HOA. They can be found at the county offices on the plats that created the parcel.
     

    mom45

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    FYI, there can and often are covenants on property that has no HOA. Property covenants can exist without an HOA. They can be found at the county offices on the plats that created the parcel.
    They also cannot be enforced by the county. It is up to the HOA to enforce the covenants and if there isn't a HOA, nobody is able to enforce them other than the majority of the residents of the subdivision hiring an attorney and filing it as a civil matter. Covenants can be registered as part of the plat/paperwork for the subdivision, but the county has not legal ground to enforce them based on what I learned during my term on the county planning commission. Maybe it was just the way our ordinances were written, but we had no control over the enforcement part of it. We just approved them if they were part of the plan.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    You want to buy a used car. Two cars are identical in every way except one was a rental and one was a 1-owner. Which do you buy?

    Racist.

    They came to my door, and her husband stood behind her with his mouth agape while I told her things that probably would have earned me a punch in the mouth from a man. I certainly wouldn't have let anyone talk to my wife the way I did, I don't care how big a man you are.

    So why did you feel it appropriate to talk to someone else's wife that way? Then apparently that it was such a cool thing to do you should brag about it on INGO?
     
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