Wayne LaPierre Resigns

[Ingomike]

Bull ****. You use “we don’t know” as a way to avoid points you can’t rebut, but then, in the same sentence claim you know something you can’t possibly know as a matter of fact.

Bull ****. We do not know what they might have passed, we do know that there was momentum for gun control and that momentum died right after the ATF announced the bumpstock rule. That congress once in the throes of gun control would limit themselves to bump stocks is beyond naive…

 

[jamil]

Bull ****. We do not know what they might have passed, we do know that there was momentum for gun control and that momentum died right after the ATF announced the bumpstock rule. That congress once in the throes of gun control would limit themselves to bump stocks is beyond naive…

We do know that correlation does not imply causation, except when you need it to maintain a cognitive dissonance free belief. All the active shooter incidents we have die from public interest. We’ve posted about lefty activists saying that the window in which exploiting public outrage after a mass shooting is short.

There’s no logical reason to conclude that the NRA’s hair brain scheme to appease the Gun grabbers had any effect at all. And the consequences are dire if SCOTUS lets it stand, for all the reasons discussed concurrently in the bump stock thread.

 

[Chewie]

Bull ****. We do not know what they might have passed, we do know that there was momentum for gun control and that momentum died right after the ATF announced the bumpstock rule. That congress once in the throes of gun control would limit themselves to bump stocks is beyond naive…

That's a possibility, or was the next step after the bumpstock ban a planned pause?
Think bumpstock ban pissed off a lot of gun owners, pause to let memory fade and decide about next big push? Different attempts in different state to determine best route to follow next?
Dem/liberal/antigun people are good at the strategy and the long game. Very patient and plotting, something conservatives suck at.

I don't believe the momentum died, this is a planned pause to advance other areas of the lefts agenda, to keep the lefts niche masses happy! It's all about control.

Just my humble opinion, no more, no less.

 

[Ingomike]

We do know that correlation does not imply causation, except when you need it to maintain a cognitive dissonance free belief. All the active shooter incidents we have die from public interest. We’ve posted about lefty activists saying that the window in which exploiting public outrage after a mass shooting is short.

There’s no logical reason to conclude that the NRA’s hair brain scheme to appease the Gun grabbers had any effect at all. And the consequences are dire if SCOTUS lets it stand, for all the reasons discussed concurrently in the bump stock thread.

Some people have political vision but many do not. You would select a EVP that is a bean counting Boy Scout instead of a politician that can deal with the swamp and has networking in that swamp. You fail to see the true nature of the position just as you fail to give the former credit for driving the organization from the supporting gun control, to being a big force in normalizing constitutional carry and defending the second…

(not that they are perfect, far from it, but were effective.)

 

[KLB]

Some people have political vision but many do not. You would select a EVP that is a bean counting Boy Scout instead of a politician that can deal with the swamp and has networking in that swamp. You fail to see the true nature of the position just as you fail to give the former credit for driving the organization from the supporting gun control, to being a big force in normalizing constitutional carry and defending the second…

(not that they are perfect, far from it, but were effective.)

You always think you are the one that knows reality. Everyone else is blind

You never did answer me about those other CEOs. Are those organizations incapable of effective lobbying with their CEOs? You also ignored the question about having heard of WLP when he got the job. It is the organization's member that give it power, not the person in the fancy suit speaking the words.

 

[Ingomike]

You always think you are the one that knows reality. Everyone else is blind

Hiring CEO bean counters for an organization in this level of a political fight seems counter productive.

You never did answer me about those other CEOs. Are those organizations incapable of effective lobbying with their CEOs?

Their lobbying is quite different than the NRA. How many billionaires and all the major media are trying to destroy the AFL/CIO, Planned Parenthood, or AARP? Very few if any.

You also ignored the question about having heard of WLP when he got the job.

I quoted and answered your questions about what we know about WLP. He learned on the job over a decade before he took the reins and once he did he doubled membership and funding. I then said we don’t have time to teach a new CEO on the job.

It is the organization's member that give it power, not the person in the fancy suit speaking the words.

The leader leads to procure the members, funding, and to wield the power from those members.

I will ask again, do you believe that the designated employee can call the house and senate leaders directly and get that call taken by those leaders? I do not.

 

[jamil]

Some people have political vision but many do not. You would select a EVP that is a bean counting Boy Scout instead of a politician that can deal with the swamp and has networking in that swamp. You fail to see the true nature of the position just as you fail to give the former credit for driving the organization from the supporting gun control, to being a big force in normalizing constitutional carry and defending the second…

(not that they are perfect, far from it, but were effective.)

So you’re saying you have delusions about other people’s beliefs.

 

[jamil]

You always think you are the one that knows reality. Everyone else is blind

You never did answer me about those other CEOs. Are those organizations incapable of effective lobbying with their CEOs? You also ignored the question about having heard of WLP when he got the job. It is the organization's member that give it power, not the person in the fancy suit speaking the words.

He won’t acknowledge information that makes his cognitive dissonance flare up.

 

[Ingomike]

So you’re saying you have delusions about other people’s beliefs.

I am saying I prioritize different attributes to the leader of the NRA than many here do.

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to learn on the job?

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to cultivate and network with the power brokers in DC that have the power to stop anti-gun legislation?

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to learn to wield the power of the members?

What attributes are you looking for?

 

[jamil]

I am saying I prioritize different attributes to the leader of the NRA than many here do.

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to learn on the job?

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to cultivate and network with the power brokers in DC that have the power to stop anti-gun legislation?

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to learn to wield the power of the members?

What attributes are you looking for?

No, pretty sure you’re saying you have delusions about what other people believe.

You would select a EVP that is a bean counting Boy Scout

 

[Ingomike]

I am saying I prioritize different attributes to the leader of the NRA than many here do.

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to learn on the job?

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to cultivate and network with the power brokers in DC that have the power to stop anti-gun legislation?

Does the organization have the time for a new leader to learn to wield the power of the members?

What attributes are you looking for?

No, pretty sure you’re saying you have delusions about what other people believe.

I asked you to explain what you made looking for. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying in previous posts…

 

[Twangbanger]

A / B Fallacy: if you don't support a megalomaniacal self-serving crook as leader, that means your only other choice is a bean-counting boy scout.

Anti-fallacy: what about "C?" What about being self-serving makes it the only way to be effective?

 

[BugI02]

Hiring CEO bean counters for an organization in this level of a political fight seems counter productive.

Had the NRA had one they could have saved themselves, what, $7.3 million plus a lot of lawyer fees

The person spending the money should not ever also be the one approving the expenditures

 

[jamil]

A / B Fallacy: if you don't support a megalomaniacal self-serving crook as leader, that means your only other choice is a bean-counting boy scout.

Anti-fallacy: what about "C?" What about being self-serving makes it the only way to be effective?

Although I agree. It’s a false dilemma, it’s my experience that identifying the failures in reasoning won’t even put a dent in the armor. So you might as well have some fun with it.

 

[jamil]

Had the NRA had one they could have saved themselves, what, $7.3 million plus a lot of lawyer fees

The person spending the money should not ever also be the one approving the expenditures

No no. You’re wrong. The only people who can possibly make the NRA successful are the people who will steal from it. You gotta be capable of abusing power, embezzling the dues of hard working members for personal use, to be fit for fighting those gun grabbers.

 

[Ingomike]

A / B Fallacy: if you don't support a megalomaniacal self-serving crook as leader, that means your only other choice is a bean-counting boy scout.

Anti-fallacy: what about "C?" What about being self-serving makes it the only way to be effective?

Do you ever read and respond to the topic? I’ll answer the question, no you don’t. So tell us oh great one, what attributes are you looking for?

 

[Ingomike]

No no. You’re wrong. The only people who can possibly make the NRA successful are the people who will steal from it. You gotta be capable of abusing power, embezzling the dues of hard working members for personal use, to be fit for fighting those gun grabbers.

Just more inane banter. Never any real input. I have asked twice already but you never answer a simple question; what attributes are you looking for?

I know, it is easier to throw around lies, misrepresentation, and snark than answer hard questions.

 

[foszoe]

Just more inane banter. Never any real input. I have asked twice already but you never answer a simple question; what attributes are you looking for?

I know, it is easier to throw around lies, misrepresentation, and snark than answer hard questions.

Than why did you reply?

Oh I know, it is easier to throw around lies, misrepresentation, and snark.

 

[Ingomike]

Than why did you reply?

Oh I know, it is easier to throw around lies, misrepresentation, and snark.

Trolling again…

 

[KLB]

will ask again, do you believe that the designated employee can call the house and senate leaders directly and get that call taken by those leaders? I do not.

I answered already. Yes. It is the organization that has the power, not the person. There was nothing magical about WLP, and frankly the NRAs lobbying at the Federal level was mediocre at best.

Their lobbying is quite different than the NRA. How many billionaires and all the major media are trying to destroy the AFL/CIO, Planned Parenthood, or AARP? Very few if any.

More excuses. What does billionaires trying to destroy them have to do with their lobbying? You really miss the whole fact that all of the organizations mentioned, like the NRA, derive their power from numbers of their supporters.

If the NRA can't get a leader that cleans house and works to improve the NRAs image, it is going to be doomed.