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  • Ingomike

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    Apparently Trump and Guliani thought of Eastman as a scholar. This is how he (Guiliani) introduced Eastman at the "Save America Rally" on J6. Perhaps they were over selling Eastman's credentials.

    Two speakers immediately preceded Trump on stage that day: Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman, legal advisers to Trump who made the case that Pence could and should prevent the counting of slates of certified Electoral College votes that day.

    “Every single thing that has been outlined as the plan for today is perfectly legal,” Giuliani said at the rally.

    "I have Professor Eastman here with me to say a few words about that. He’s one of the preeminent constitutional scholars in the United States."
    The left is really going after any lawyer that represented Trump.

     

    BugI02

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    We shouldn’t much care whether our commander-in-chief is a real conservative, whether he is a role model for children or says lots of silly things, or whether he is modest or dignified. What we should care about is whether he knows we are in a war, knows who the enemy is, and knows how to win. Trump does.
    Trump is the most towering figure of our time. He has changed politics, not just in America but in the West. If we are to take back America, we need someone who is unmovable, who has proven that he can stand up against the immensely powerful army of woke modernity that will attack him with all its might, someone who will go after the deep state without pity or compassion and someone who has the conviction that America is still the last best hope of earth. That someone is Trump.
    That alarm, the one telling what time it is, just keeps going off for more and more people
     

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    That alarm, the one telling what time it is, just keeps going off for more and more people

    I could feel my IQ dropping the further I got through that article…total garbage “Journalism”.

    The “enemy“ you are fighting is a figment of your MAGA fever-dream-inspired imagination, the “war” you are fighting (and losing…Bigly) is a distraction.

    That article makes the point that policy, character, faith, integrity, intelligence, and governance are all secondary to gaining ground in the MAGA culture war…and the reason for this is obvious: Trump lacks character, faith, integrity, intellegence, interest in governing, and a coherent and workable policy position...the only reason you have to vote for the guy is the illusion that he will “end wokeness”.

    Different Don, different windmill…still tilting.
     

    Ingomike

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    Any EO can be rescinded by the next president. But, if Trump is president again and he reverses that EO, the thr press gets to call him mean names? I guess? :dunno:
    The only thing I can think of is the civil service employees will sue and it will be tied up in court for ten years or until a dem can reverse it.
     

    BugI02

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    I could feel my IQ dropping the further I got through that article…total garbage “Journalism”.

    The “enemy“ you are fighting is a figment of your MAGA fever-dream-inspired imagination, the “war” you are fighting (and losing…Bigly) is a distraction.

    That article makes the point that policy, character, faith, integrity, intelligence, and governance are all secondary to gaining ground in the MAGA culture war…and the reason for this is obvious: Trump lacks character, faith, integrity, intellegence, interest in governing, and a coherent and workable policy position...the only reason you have to vote for the guy is the illusion that he will “end wokeness”.

    Different Don, different windmill…still tilting.
    So, I guess you're starting to realize your boy is going down :cool:

    Speaking of fever dreams, how's that war on fascim by being uber-fascist going?

    You know who said
    "Everything within the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside the state.", yes?

    No, it wasn't Joe's puppet master Obama, he just took a page from that guy's playbook
     
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    jamil

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    I could feel my IQ dropping the further I got through that article…total garbage “Journalism”.
    I wouldn't classify that as journalism. It looked to me more like a blog. Just another right wing rich guy. Nothing to lose IQ over. It's an opinion.

    The “enemy“ you are fighting is a figment of your MAGA fever-dream-inspired imagination, the “war” you are fighting (and losing…Bigly) is a distraction.
    If it's an imaginary foe, how is he losing? Why wouldn't he imagine he's winning?

    That article makes the point that policy, character, faith, integrity, intelligence, and governance are all secondary to gaining ground in the MAGA culture war…and the reason for this is obvious: Trump lacks character, faith, integrity, intellegence, interest in governing, and a coherent and workable policy position...the only reason you have to vote for the guy is the illusion that he will “end wokeness”.

    Different Don, different windmill…still tilting.
    Okay. Let's grade this quiz.

    Trump:
    lacks character:
    faith:
    integrity:
    intelligence: ❌ Okay, I'll grant that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. But I'd say he has an above average IQ. Not like 4D chess sort of brilliance people credit him for.He's probably a decent checkers player.
    interest in governing: ❌
    coherent and workable policy position: ❌

    50%

    FAIL.
     
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    Ingomike

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    I could feel my IQ dropping the further I got through that article…total garbage “Journalism”.
    What is the source of “Journalism” you gain IQ?

    The “enemy“ you are fighting is a figment of your MAGA fever-dream-inspired imagination, the “war” you are fighting (and losing…Bigly) is a distraction.
    The enemy is you. You vote for those destroying this country and the constitution.

    That article makes the point that policy, character, faith, integrity, intelligence, and governance are all secondary to gaining ground in the MAGA culture war…and the reason for this is obvious: Trump lacks character, faith, integrity, intellegence, interest in governing, and a coherent and workable policy position...the only reason you have to vote for the guy is the illusion that he will “end wokeness”.
    Why do you insist on calling it a culture war? It is a war for the soul of this country (our constitutional way of life, rule of law, and protection of private property right).

    Different Don, different windmill…still tilting.
    Do you believe in open borders and unfettered illegal immigration?
     

    jamil

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    What is the source of “Journalism” you gain IQ?


    The enemy is you. You vote for those destroying this country and the constitution.
    He doesn't think it's destroying this country. The guy on the CNN said woke is good.

    Why do you insist on calling it a culture war? It is a war for the soul of this country (our constitutional way of life, rule of law, and protection of private property right).
    It's a culture war. The thing is, in previous conversations, LG has admitted that a lot of the stuff we call woke is bad. It IS cultural. It's a cultural revolution in the same way it was when Mao did it. Take over and destroy the social and cultural institutions that bind people together, and they won't defend their previous way of life. Not all of them.

    But he condemns the actions of woke people, Antifa, etcetera, in words but not deeds. They're empty words then. Which means that deep down he wants the same thing. A cultural revolution where the Left gets their way with no opposition.


    Do you believe in open borders and unfettered illegal immigration?
    In the same sense as above, I suspect he'll say one thing but behave in a way that supports open boarders and the destruction of American values. Which are/were individual liberty, personal responsibility, self sufficiency, meritocratic, capitalist. The left things those things are racist and fascist. My evidence that they think that is that they keep saying Biden is doing a great job.
     

    LeftyGunner

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    What is the source of “Journalism” you gain IQ?
    Hint: it isn’t political punditry.

    The enemy is you. You vote for those destroying this country and the constitution.

    There it is.

    Mike, I’m not your enemy…I disagree with you about how the government should be run.

    Destroying the country and constitution? You support the only guy In history to actually attempt to stay in office after losing a presidential election…pot, meet kettle.

    The country doesn’t belong to you or MAGA, and your view of “Constitutionality” is entirely a product of your own imagination.

    America is aggregate, it is a product of all of our views and efforts.

    Why do you insist on calling it a culture war?

    Because that’s all it is.


    It is a war for the soul of this country (our constitutional way of life, rule of law, and protection of private property right).

    Literally every progressive talking head and politician in the country talks about upholding the constitution and the rule of law, and the biggest disagreement regarding private property revolves around corporate personhood…a Republican sacred cow.

    Do you believe in open borders and unfettered illegal immigration?

    I believe in the free movement of people, capital, and ideas…I come from a family of immigrants and benefitted directly from America’s historically permissive immigration policy.

    Just like you did.

    He doesn't think it's destroying this country. The guy on the CNN said woke is good.

    I think the country is changing. I think more people are choosing to live their own lives differently from the way MAGA wants to live theirs, and I think those changes scare people (primarily conservative-minded people)

    ”Woke” is a dog whistle.

    It's a culture war.

    That’s what I said.

    The thing is, in previous conversations, LG has admitted that a lot of the stuff we call woke is bad. It IS cultural. It's a cultural revolution in the same way it was when Mao did it.

    What? Now you lose me. Mao…really?

    if you are going to speak for me, at least try to get my perspective correct: I value the right of people to choose to live the way they themselves want to…not for government to impose an ideology onto its populace.


    Take over and destroy the social and cultural institutions that bind people together, and they won't defend their previous way of life. Not all of them.

    This is so far off the mark I don’t even know how to respond.

    But he condemns the actions of woke people, Antifa, etcetera, in words but not deeds. They're empty words then. Which means that deep down he wants the same thing. A cultural revolution where the Left gets their way with no opposition.

    I am starting to think you smoked your breakfast.

    Nowhere in any of my posts have I endorsed a leftist cultural revolution…if you actually read what what I write you‘ll see me argue for individual liberty and personal responsibility over and over again.

    In the same sense as above, I suspect he'll say one thing but behave in a way that supports open boarders and the destruction of American values.

    MAGA does not have a monopoly on “American Values”…that is a ideolocical aggregate, which means the median is always moving. It’s not an attack on anything, its normal progression of human culture.


    Which are/were individual liberty, personal responsibility, self sufficiency, meritocratic, capitalist.

    Agreed.

    The left things those things are racist and fascist.

    Not quite…The Left (Big L) thinks fascists and racists have taken these concepts hostage, and not entirely without reason.

    My evidence that they think that is that they keep saying Biden is doing a great job.

    They might, but I don‘t. Read my posts...I don‘t think Trump or Biden should hold the office, but…forced to pick, I view Trump as the greater of the two evils.
     

    Ingomike

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    I believe in the free movement of people, capital, and ideas…I come from a family of immigrants and benefitted directly from America’s historically permissive immigration policy.

    Just like you did.
    Are you or your family illegal? If they are, they should be sent back. Few countries in the world have open borders. Every illegal takes a spot from a deserving immigrant that was doing it the right way. Then there is the assimilation programs that the leftists you support dismantled.

    Do we not have the agreed upon immigration policy you even mentioned? Why do those that you support not apply the constitutional duly passed laws concerning immigration and stop illegal immigration? Oh yes, several have admitted the deal, they want to import voters to outvote native born citizens.
     

    Ingomike

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    There it is.

    Mike, I’m not your enemy…I disagree with you about how the government should be run.
    Like many here I often voiced displeasure with politicians, I no longer blame politicians, they are a symptom of the problem not the actual problem. The problem is their voters, so when one goes so far as to announce they are a leftist in their avatar, they self identify who they are.
     

    Ingomike

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    Nowhere in any of my posts have I endorsed a leftist cultural revolution…if you actually read what what I write you‘ll see me argue for individual liberty and personal responsibility over and over again.
    It doesn’t matter what you say, it is the actions of those you vote for and support that actually matter.
     

    Ingomike

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    The entire documents case in Florida rests on the principle that another entity supersedes the president within the executive branch. Some unknown, unnamed bureaucracy can override the president and decide for themselves what would be called a “presidential record” and what would be called “classified information.

    All documents and records created within the executive branch are created for the benefit of the head of the Executive Branch, the president.”

    “There is no entity, organization, assembly, institution, person or individual, above the President of the United States. The president holds absolute power and absolute immunity. Everyone within the executive branch works at the pleasure of the president, and all work products are created for his administration. This is the plenary power of the president.”
     

    Ingomike

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    The days of go along and get along are over. Go along get along brought us to the brink where our government acts more like a third world banana republic than a leader for the world. It is over. The republican party is being remade to actually stand foe something…
     

    Ingomike

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    Trump lacks character, faith, integrity, intellegence, interest in governing, and a coherent and workable policy position...the only reason you have to vote for the guy is the illusion that he will “end wokeness”.
    Is energy independence “ending wokeness”?

    Is securing the border “ending wokeness”?

    Is not allowing communists to dump slave produced goods so cheap they destroy the citizen workers “ending wokeness”?

    Is stopping wars that the military industrial complex profits from “ending wokeness”?

    Is stopping the attacks on the US industrial in the name of imaginary climate agreements that exempt self described enemies “ending wokeness”?
     

    BugI02

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    if you are going to speak for me, at least try to get my perspective correct: I value the right of people to choose to live the way they themselves want to…not for government to impose an ideology onto its populace.
    That sentiment is incomplete, it is missing the part about 'so long as it does not harm the right of others to do the same'

    Your faction seems to leave that part on the cutting room floor, and your chosen government is certainly doing everything it can to 'impose an ideology' on the half of the populace that isn't interested
     
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