I went to Kohls and bought some new pants and a couple shirts. Then I went to McDonalds in Noblesville to get a Dr. Pepper by the Autozone.
Drive-Thru was backed up quite a bit, so I went inside.
Manager took my order, gave me my foam cup, thanked, me and I went to go fill it up.
I turned around and a guy in a jacket wide-eyed asked me what "agency" I was with.
I told him I was not with any LEagency. His face completely changed, and his eyes narrowed, and asked for my ID
I said " I don't believe I have to give that to you sir "
He then identifies himself as a police officer by unzipping his jacket so I could see his shirt ( a polo that just said Noblesville PD, no badge or anything )
He then asks for my LTCH, and I gave it to him.
He then asked for my DL again. I said I don't believe I have to give it to you officer. He then asked if I was refusing to identify myself to a police officer.
I said " Am I being suspected of committing a crime? "
"YES! YOU ARE CARRYING A GUN! "
I said I already gave you my LTCH, so there is no crime here, and I don't have to show you my drivers license.
He then says I am required to carry a picture ID, and that how is he suppose to confirm the LTCH is mine and not a fake.
I said that he can call it in. He asked me for my ID again, and I said
" Am I being detained? No, you are not. " Am I free to go? " After I call this in and check on you.
So he takes his radio out, calls it in ( I did give him my name and D.O.B while he was calling me in ), and meanwhile he lectures me in front of over a dozen customers about carrying my gun and not identify myself. He is a LEO and he is just trying to protect everyone in this restaurant and I was being a smart ass to him.
I ask him how many criminals carry around a glock in a duty holster. He said " Many, you would be surprised! " I said " I don't believe that "
I stopped you because you look like a police officer, wearing a duty holster , with a sidearm like that. All police officers are required to carry their credentials, and when you told me you weren't one, I wanted to make sure you were legally carrying, and not impersonating an officer, because you look like one.
I said " Can I have your name and badge number? " He said yes, after they return my request. He then proceeds to lecture me further, and then I ask for his supervisor. He said he didn't have one with him. I then take out my phone and tell him he will be audio and video recorded at this point. He said that is fine.
The all-clear comes back, I am a law abiding citizen, yay! He gives the LTCH back, but wanted to talk to me ( lecture further about my not giving him my DL, looking like a cop ), he wouldn't give me his badge number or name until after he was done. Well, I got tired of standing there so I asked if I am being detained again. He says no, and I said " Have a good day officer " turned my back to him mid-sentence and walked to my car.
I DO NOT look like a cop, I am wearing slacks and a collared shirt, with a holster and mag pouch. No handcuffs, no badge, nothing. I never claimed to be a cop to anyone in the restaurant, and told him I was NOT one when he asked. I also drive a Sentra!
How do so many of you go years without ever being detained, yet I get detained on my first week of carrying! Maybe he is right, and a serpa level 3 and a gen 4 G21 is a bad choice to carry if you are not a cop? I OCed my revolver around IWB without any LEO ever batting an eye.
I do not want to CC a Glock 21, and since I am OCing, I would like a retention holster, so I picked the serpa level 3. The other day a Noblesville officer in uniform, with a patrol car outside was standing behind me in line, and he didn't say a word to me. I don't see why this officer who refused to ID himself, refused to get me a supervisor, and refused to believe that I don't have to give my my DL if I am not driving a car at the moment, was so concerned for everyone's safety when I was doing nothing wrong. He wasn't even in a patrol vehicle, just a SUV, looked like his personal SUV, and he was not even in uniform, nor could I see any gun or badge. If he didn't have a radio, I would think he was the one impersonating an officer!
Drive-Thru was backed up quite a bit, so I went inside.
Manager took my order, gave me my foam cup, thanked, me and I went to go fill it up.
I turned around and a guy in a jacket wide-eyed asked me what "agency" I was with.
I told him I was not with any LEagency. His face completely changed, and his eyes narrowed, and asked for my ID
I said " I don't believe I have to give that to you sir "
He then identifies himself as a police officer by unzipping his jacket so I could see his shirt ( a polo that just said Noblesville PD, no badge or anything )
He then asks for my LTCH, and I gave it to him.
He then asked for my DL again. I said I don't believe I have to give it to you officer. He then asked if I was refusing to identify myself to a police officer.
I said " Am I being suspected of committing a crime? "
"YES! YOU ARE CARRYING A GUN! "
I said I already gave you my LTCH, so there is no crime here, and I don't have to show you my drivers license.
He then says I am required to carry a picture ID, and that how is he suppose to confirm the LTCH is mine and not a fake.
I said that he can call it in. He asked me for my ID again, and I said
" Am I being detained? No, you are not. " Am I free to go? " After I call this in and check on you.
So he takes his radio out, calls it in ( I did give him my name and D.O.B while he was calling me in ), and meanwhile he lectures me in front of over a dozen customers about carrying my gun and not identify myself. He is a LEO and he is just trying to protect everyone in this restaurant and I was being a smart ass to him.
I ask him how many criminals carry around a glock in a duty holster. He said " Many, you would be surprised! " I said " I don't believe that "
I stopped you because you look like a police officer, wearing a duty holster , with a sidearm like that. All police officers are required to carry their credentials, and when you told me you weren't one, I wanted to make sure you were legally carrying, and not impersonating an officer, because you look like one.
I said " Can I have your name and badge number? " He said yes, after they return my request. He then proceeds to lecture me further, and then I ask for his supervisor. He said he didn't have one with him. I then take out my phone and tell him he will be audio and video recorded at this point. He said that is fine.
The all-clear comes back, I am a law abiding citizen, yay! He gives the LTCH back, but wanted to talk to me ( lecture further about my not giving him my DL, looking like a cop ), he wouldn't give me his badge number or name until after he was done. Well, I got tired of standing there so I asked if I am being detained again. He says no, and I said " Have a good day officer " turned my back to him mid-sentence and walked to my car.
I DO NOT look like a cop, I am wearing slacks and a collared shirt, with a holster and mag pouch. No handcuffs, no badge, nothing. I never claimed to be a cop to anyone in the restaurant, and told him I was NOT one when he asked. I also drive a Sentra!
How do so many of you go years without ever being detained, yet I get detained on my first week of carrying! Maybe he is right, and a serpa level 3 and a gen 4 G21 is a bad choice to carry if you are not a cop? I OCed my revolver around IWB without any LEO ever batting an eye.
I do not want to CC a Glock 21, and since I am OCing, I would like a retention holster, so I picked the serpa level 3. The other day a Noblesville officer in uniform, with a patrol car outside was standing behind me in line, and he didn't say a word to me. I don't see why this officer who refused to ID himself, refused to get me a supervisor, and refused to believe that I don't have to give my my DL if I am not driving a car at the moment, was so concerned for everyone's safety when I was doing nothing wrong. He wasn't even in a patrol vehicle, just a SUV, looked like his personal SUV, and he was not even in uniform, nor could I see any gun or badge. If he didn't have a radio, I would think he was the one impersonating an officer!
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