17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[Kutnupe14]

I have read this entire thread. From the "he needs to pay" from a local police officer very early on to the martin was a thug ****.... nothing as rude and uncalled for as the wife comments.

But when you can not justify your position in an argument it's just easier to make fun of people for something unrelated.

Apparently he is.... on caviar and 5lb lobsters

 

[Roscoe38]

Because he should PAY. Don't you know? A civilian standing up and defending themselves without the police should PAY. They should be destroyed financially, wrecked emotionally and locked up forever.

If you really believe what you are saying, What are you doing on this forum?
You...IMO are a danger to all legally carrying individuals.

If I am attacked I will defend my self, my home, and my family.

Maybe you are you just stoking the fire with your BS.

This post and thread should be taken down. It contributes nothing to the society of Indiana Gun Owners.

"Nuff sed" about Zimmerman...that's Florida, Has nothing to do with Indiana.

Children !!!

 

[Roadie]

If you really believe what you are saying, What are you doing on this forum?
You...IMO are a danger to all legally carrying individuals.

If I am attacked I will defend my self, my home, and my family.

Maybe you are you just stoking the fire with your BS.

This post and thread should be taken down. It contributes nothing to the society of Indiana Gun Owners.

"Nuff sed" about Zimmerman...that's Florida, Has nothing to do with Indiana.

Children !!!

I think you missed the sarcasm intended in bob's post..

But congrats on your 50th post!

 

[hornadylnl]

Way to stay classy.

I don't remember any comments about how attractive or unattractive Martin's mother is. Some people commented on her behavior, and some people here have commented on Z's wife's behavior. That is okay, that is the discussion of right and wrong.

How does the way someone looks have anything to do with this case?

My comments were based on the snarky attitude emanating from her, not her physical appearance.

How many Moochelle or Hillary comments are made here regularly? What do their looks have to do with anything?

IIRC, Martins mother was called a greedy whore among other vile things. Still not seen one shred of evidence to back up the copyright claims that she was doing it for the money.

 

[griffin]

My comments were based on the snarky attitude emanating from her, not her physical appearance.

Oh really?

From the looks of his old lady's mug shot, I'd be an angry man to.

How many Moochelle or Hillary comments are made here regularly? What do their looks have to do with anything?

I don't know about Hillary, but I have seen comments about Michelle Obama and they are critical of her not because she has a fat a**, but because she is a hypocrite telling others how to live and eat while she herself needs to take a better look in the mirror.

She can weigh what she wants, just don't preach to others they're the ones that need to lose weight.

I have also seen comments about her dressing in a manner that does not befit the First Lady representing the USA.

Does that answer your question?

 

[Bunnykid68]

If they can't get a murder conviction, there's always 11 years for perjury and/or income tax evasion.





"Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus"

Income tax evasion? How do you figure? They have not filed a tax return for this year yet.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

I hope you just forgot the purple.

Maybe a light shade of purple. It was an embelishment more than anything.

I HAVE read on here about things like taking out the trash, he was a thug, etc. No one on here knows the kid personally, you just are judging him from a couple pictures taken when he was a dumb kid.

Believe it or not everyone in this thread was a dumb kid at one point or another and maybe took a stupid pic that you thought made you look cool.

He may well have been a bad kid, doesnt mean he deserved to die or be judged because he was a black male. He WAS judged because he was black because the break ins around there were perpetrated by black males so Z was judging him and thinking he might have been up to no good. When he was just trying to walk home to eat candy and drink tea.


I an not even saying Z wasnt justified, all I have ever said is I take his story with a grain of salt and would like to hear the whole story before I pass judgement. Some on here seem to just believe Z did nothing wrong just on his account of what happened. Sorry to me thats not good enough, especially with his credibility taking more hits by the week.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Martin was a thug. If he had not been a thug he would not have been staying at his dads girlfriends house and then going to the store to get skittles and tea.

 

[Bond 281]

Martin was a thug. If he had not been a thug he would not have been staying at his dads girlfriends house and then going to the store to get skittles and tea.

This is actually true, but I get the feeling there's some sarcasm going on...

 

[Bunnykid68]

This is actually true, but I get the feeling there's some sarcasm going on...

Nope, no sarcasm at all. Based on everything we have learned about him, he is just a punk kid with an attitude.

 

[Bond 281]

Nope, no sarcasm at all. Based on everything we have learned about him, he is just a punk kid with an attitude.

Oh ok good. This whole thread has been convoluted. People I normally agree with I'm arguing against, and vice versa. Kind of hard to keep things straight.

 

[Pocketman]

Income tax evasion? How do you figure? They have not filed a tax return for this year yet.

"Income tax evasion" was how they imprisoned Al Capone when they couldn't pin more serious crimes on him. (metaphor)

 

[Bunnykid68]

"Income tax evasion" was how they imprisoned Al Capone when they couldn't pin more serious crimes on him. (metaphor)

I know, but him and his wife have not filed a tax return for this year, got another 6.5 months to go before they have to claim anything for 2012.

 

[strahd71]

guys i'm proud of you! almost 400 pages.

you can do it!!!!

jake

 

[Roadie]

Only 99 here...

 

[cobber]

"Nuff sed" about Zimmerman...that's Florida, Has nothing to do with Indiana.

Children !!!

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Right, who cares what happens in Florida? Erm...

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

Just a personal read on this money issue. First, I have NO facts to base this off of, just a hunch.

My thought is that Zimmermans were scarred out of their minds and terrified of the unknown that was and is their future for the next year or two.

They were trying desperately to keep some part of their lives hidden, being afraid that anything they admit to owning, having owned, may own could be taken away if they admit to having touched it.

I don't think at the time they really realized the massive media frenzy that was going to focus a light so bright on them that their credit card receipts for the last many years were going to be scrutinized in detail. As much as my kneejerk reaction is despising the special prosecutors overreaching charge (IMO) I do acknowledge that she is under tremendous pressure to resolve this case leaving no stone unturned. I do not believe Zimmermans were aware of that.

I believe that Zimmerans did lie, just not for the same reasons that other rationally thinking people would lie. I believe this lie may be the most damaging action George has committed against his case. His credibility will be of incredible importance in the upcoming legal game and he has just damaged it greatly.

I think his best option will be to admit the inner fear right out of the gate and try to explain his lie, because lie he did. If he doesn't acknowledge his culpability about the money he is going to have a hard time convincing the jury that he is a believable witness.

This is why now the Zimmermans better have a very righteous "Come to Jesus" meeting with their legal team and spill their guts on everything that could be considered dirt against them, no matter how small or trivial it might be. If George went off on a rant at the company picnic three (3) years ago about anything to do with breakins he better come clean. If he made a huge stink at a family picnic 15 years ago about teenage punks his lawyer better know. If they didn't quite disclose something on their tax returns now is the time confess to their attorney.

I don't think a lot of people really understand that in a case such as this that the concept of privacy before the event is a nonexistent concept. Even IF the prosecutor doesn't find it Chanel #5 News or the Enquirer or the Sanford Daily Democrat Newspaper WILL! Then the prosecutor will follow up and "Voila!"

I would think the hardest part of trying a media frenzy case like this for the legal defense team would be pounding into their skulls that the privacy they thought they had was over. Every webpage they bookmarked will be found. Every cell phone number called will be found. Everything they think they bought "off the record" with cash only will be found, because for 15 minutes of fame the store clerk will be more than happy to tell all about what they bought, when they bought it, what they wore as clothing, and on and on.

This is in no way meant to defend them! This is the worst thing I see being done so far. One of the great equalizers of people in court is the concept of a fair playing field. The playing field becomes equalized by the idea that everyone who participates MUST tell the truth. This was my stink against President Clinton. It wasn't that he lied to us, that was understandable. Rather, it was that he lied under oath in a room where equality should have been achieved by everyone telling the truth.

Regards,

Doug

 

[TheRude1]

Over all the $ issue has nothing to do with the issue at hand, The Shooting of T.Martin

All the facts are not out yet and time and the courts will tell

IF the law is fallowed with the facts at hand he will walk out of that court free as a bird on the issue at hand in my opinion. see above "all the facts"

The $ and purgery is a totaly different issue and has nothing to do with the other

And the credibility of Zimmerman will come into issue. BUT will the credibility of the dead kid come into play ? The hole reason he was in that neighborhood was cause he had been kicked out of school for having a baggy with marijuana rezidue in it, multiple arrest-once for battery on a police man,battery on his girlfriend.
Will that come into his credibility ?

 

[griffin]

The $ and purgery is a totaly different issue and has nothing to do with the other

Possibly. This could get dismissed outright before court and I don't know that this wouldn't have any effect on the judge.

credibility of Zimmerman will come into issue.

That's the problem. Zimmerman talked to the cops for hours. Corey states that some of his statements over hours of interrogation contradict each other, that's why she's charging Murder 2 because she's stating that his statements can't be believed since one or two are in conflict with one another. We don't know what those are yet because they haven't been released publicly, but they will be. There is a rule, never talk to cops. Zimmerman was not a conservative gun guy. He was a liberal Democrat Obama voter who apparently didn't know any better. He'll most likely get out of all of this, but it was all so unnecessary.

Maybe he'll smarten up and realize Obama and his Justice Department who are trying to execute him are not his friends.

Zimmerman is and always has been a stupid liberal. But this issue transcends his personal politics. It has the capacity to affect everyone because, let's face it, people are idiots. All it takes is a few bad incidents and then stupid people demand bad laws. Is this the time I should mention the Dunblane school massacre?

 

[buckwacker]

This should be quite an interesting case. The Zimmerman's have already proven that the credibility is less than a defense attorney would desire. That's a HUGE issue to confront, given that Zimmerman is the only eyewitness. It's not to large a leap to infer that if he's willing to lie about one issue, concerning this case, he'd be willing to lie about others.
For what reason would a juror choose to believe a person who has already intentionally lied concerning this instance?

His damaged credibility doesnt mean he appears more guilty. The burden of proof in a criminal case rests on the state, not on the defendant to prove his innocence. Additionally, the stand you ground law moves the burden further to the states side as they must prove that it was not a case of self defense if the defendant claims that it was. His credibility should have less to do with his defense than you are claiming, because, if the state has no evidence to disprove his claim, a lie about his finances isnt going to prove that he assulted and shot the kid.