2 LTCH holders arrested

[2A_Tom]

Frost,

I have been here for the duration. Here it comes a perfect test case.

Under IC police had no charge so they made one up.

This, IMHO is what separates the Law Enforcement Professional from the JBT.

 

[KG1]

Another question, was the arrest (and I assume charges) something that you could make go away before going to court (showing ltch to prosecutor)?

That's what I wanna know because if it is'nt then they have just found a way to make a charge stick without a remedy by providing proof of exemption.

 

[thekuhnburger]

Another question, was the arrest (and I assume charges) something that you could make go away before going to court (showing ltch to prosecutor)?

35-47-2-24

According to that code, as soon as you prove yourself exempt (show your ltch) the charges will be dropped.

 

[Rookie]

Agreed, but that's an argument that TF and I were having.

 

[2A_Tom]

That is true if you are charged under 35-47-2-24

 

[thekuhnburger]

Agreed, but that's an argument that TF and I were having.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywycXC7RYts&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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[Titanium_Frost]

Frost,

I have been here for the duration. Here it comes a perfect test case.

Under IC police had no charge so they made one up.

This, IMHO is what separates the Law Enforcement Professional from the JBT.

Two sides of the same coin. But the same coin nonetheless.

 

[KG1]

That is true if you are charged under 35-47-2-24

This. It seems like this charge was doled out on purpose to try and circumnavigate that exemption. IMO.

It's not an easy thing to make heads or tails out of because the charge of "refusal to aid police" appears to be pertaining to the refusal to provide an LTCH upon request.

 

[AndersonIN]

jbrooks19 If you're taking classes at BSU I hope you get my daughter as an instructor. She attempts to make sure that those wishing to become LEO's realize that the citizens have RIGHTS for a reason..........and WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUST GET ALONG WITH THEM (Leo's)! The respect needs to go both ways!

 

[Ted]

Frost,

I have been here for the duration. Here it comes a perfect test case.

Under IC police had no charge so they made one up.

This, IMHO is what separates the Law Enforcement Professional from the JBT.

How was a charge "made up"? The language of the statute fits the elements of the reported crime.

 

[Rookie]

How does it fit? I think it's kind of a vague charge. I would love to see how it's been applied in the past.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Open Carry Litter Pickup

ETA: This is a link I found on OCDO where he is trying to get support for it. No where does he mention trying to accomplish anything besides hanging out with other OCers.

Here is another thread from the same forum: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?104726-Indiana-Open-Carry-Meeting

 

[griffin]

They were not charged for not showing their LTCH, they were charged for failing to aid an officer.

This is the same thing the police in MI charged Sean Combs with. Since he was not required to show ID to the police in the first place the judge threw the charge out.

I thought you were required to show your license to the police in Indiana if you are carrying.

 

[Bunnykid68]

This is the same thing the police in MI charged Sean Combs with. Since he was not required to show ID to the police in the first place the judge the the charge out.

I thought you were required to show your license to the police in Indiana if you are carrying.

Only a handgun

 

[griffin]

A simple name/address/d.o.b should suffice for the LEO to check and see if you have a valid LTCH if you find yourself sans the actual document.

Unless you are not an IN resident. Not sure IN LEOs can check out of state licenses.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Unless you are not an IN resident. Not sure IN LEOs can check out of state licenses.

They can and they will. Out of state license/permit holders must abide by our states laws.

 

[Ted]

They can and they will. Out of state license/permit holders must abide by our states laws.

I don't believe he is referring to holders, but of other issuing entities.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

I don't believe he is referring to holders, but of other issuing entities.

Indiana recognizes all other issued licenses, but they have to abide by Indiana state law while here. As for verifying their validity, if that's what you're getting at. I would imagine it's similar to checking out of state driver's licenses.

 

[stephen87]

I can think of a way for the officer to charge these guys with refusal to aid a police officer and not failing to produce a LTCH.

Say I was stopped for carrying and failed to produce my LTCH. The officer then makes a legit arrest, searches me for transport, discovers I have my LTCH on me and just didn't want to show him. If the officer were to let me go, he feels I think I can get away with not complying so he charges me with something he feels will stick. Why he charged them with refusal to aid instead of obstruction is beyond me though. Anyone wanna hel me out on this? It seems like it would be a way to try to teach a lesson.

 

[griffin]

They can and they will. Out of state license/permit holders must abide by our states laws.

I am fully aware that out of state license holders must abide by Indiana laws, but can Indiana police instantly check on my MI license if I just claim to be licensed? I just assumed they would have a hard time.