308 Battle Rifle?

[Hookeye]

16" FAL with a lightweight lower or PARA rifle. View attachment 292960 View attachment 292961

Dutch hinge pin?

 

[Hookeye]

FAL.....heavy and suck for optics.

Yeah mags aint the cheapest.

But when you're blasting .308 at a buck a pop, I don't think mag price to be an issue.

 

[jwamplerusa]

I have been pondering and fondling a 7.62 X51 AR for awhile.

My top pick now is the POF revolution 18.5 inch. The second option is the 20 inch Ruger SFAR.

Kept going back and forth at NRAAM, and handling other .308 rifles, and those two stood out for me from the others in weight and handling.

 

[Dog1]

I have a M1A Socom, a M1A standard and a FAL carbine. I like every one of them. They each have their own positives and their negatives. Most of the negatives I overlooked just because I can. I've had an AR-10 in the past I don't have it anymore. To me they just really don't do anything for me. I love the look of the M1A/M14 platform. It has a classic look. It served in Vietnam, became the xm21 sniper system, was brought basically out of retirement at the start of the war on terror in the early 2000s. So we know it works.

Then we have FAL. Well it's the right arm of the Free World. It went on a lot of communist hunting safaris in Africa. Dare we say the movie The Wild Geese or that quaint little British Expedition in the Falklands? Let's not forget "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland. It served Britain, her Commonwealth partners and Rhodesia well. It's fought against communists with AKs and even against itself in Africa and the Falklands.

I know going into it that all 3 are not going to be a sub MOA 308 but I'm going to be able to hit what I aim at.

If I had to grab any one of those three rifles and use them, I wouldn't feel under gunned or inferior.

In fact the FAL carbine is my trunk gun.

 

[BigMoose]

There are a few other options then the M14, FAL, or AR10

The G3 clones. PTR-91. Not a bad option. Roller Locker system eats cheap steel ammo and asks for more. Mags used to be STUPID cheap. But are still on the cheap side.

 

[Expat]

You have to have a FAL if you want to slot some floppies.

 

[Ark]

There are a few other options then the M14, FAL, or AR10

The G3 clones. PTR-91. Not a bad option. Roller Locker system eats cheap steel ammo and asks for more. Mags used to be STUPID cheap. But are still on the cheap side.

My PTR is unreasonably heavy and kicks like a mule, but following a factory fix it runs all day and lays down excellent groups.

If you get one with a welded rail, the G3 has a major accuracy advantage over a FAL with an optic. There is no substitute for a hard mechanical bond between optic, receiver, and barrel. The more screws, brackets, and cludgy mounts you have between your optic and your barrel, the worse your groups and zero get.

 

[BigMoose]

My PTR is unreasonably heavy and kicks like a mule, but following a factory fix it runs all day and lays down excellent groups.

If you get one with a welded rail, the G3 has a major accuracy advantage over a FAL with an optic. There is no substitute for a hard mechanical bond between optic, receiver, and barrel. The more screws, brackets, and cludgy mounts you have between your optic and your barrel, the worse your groups and zero get.

I think they all come with a welded top rail. (Unless you specifically order the army issue one) And they now have fore arms available with M-lok.

And yes they also beat up brass and throw it a million miles an hour. But like I said, they love steel!

They now have a K (Kurtz) model with a 16 inch barrel that should take care of some of the weight.

 

[Ark]

I think they all come with a welded top rail. (Unless you specifically order the army issue one) And they now have fore arms available with M-lok.

And yes they also beat up brass and throw it a million miles an hour. But like I said, they love steel!

They now have a K (Kurtz) model with a 16 inch barrel that should take care of some of the weight.

I have the 16 inch. It's still beefy.

 

[88E30M50]

I have a Sig 716i and have no complaints. It's a bit of a pig, but it runs and is accurate enough for my needs.

 

[Elcardo]

I have the dd5 , never tried any of the other options you mentioned so can't speak to them
But I really like the DD , mine is the v7 with 18" 308 hbar barrel , the ambi controls are really good and it's a good shooting rifle especially with the 2 position gas block

I'd like to build a lighter upper for it though, bit heavy with the hbar

 

[profjeremy]

I had a Springfield Saint Victor AR pistol that never had a malfunction and was fairly light (only a 10” barrel). Of course, with the pistol brace nonsense, you can’t run it with the SBA4 brace I had on it.

The AR-10s I have now both run well (LMT and Bushmaster), but neither are “lightweight”. The LMT is significantly lighter than the Bushmaster, but way heavier on the wallet!

 

[mshogren]

Well, I bit the bullet and have a Knights SR-25 APC coming.

Can't wait to try her out!

Thanks

Mark

 

[kawtech87]

Well, I bit the bullet and have a Knights SR-25 APC coming.

Can't wait to try her out!

Thanks

Mark

Might I ask where you found one? New, used? They seem to be vaporware even a few months ago. Or did you put your name on a wait list?

 

[mshogren]

Might I ask where you found one? New, used? They seem to be vaporware even a few months ago. Or did you put your name on a wait list?

Put a want to buy out on the knights Facebook group. A few people contacted me from that. I ended buying a new one from a dealer out of Texas that got it second hand. So the price was not the best, but ok considering fees shipping and such that were included.

Mark

 

[223 Gunner]

No mention of a Tavor 7? I've been thinking about one of these for myself. Knights is too rich for my blood.

 

[two70]

No mention of a Tavor 7? I've been thinking about one of these for myself. Knights is too rich for my blood.

It was mentioned favorably by a couple of us but didn't seem to be the OP's cup of tea.

The Tavor 7 is my favorite semi auto .308 that I own or have handled. My only complaint is the weight but it feels lighter than it is.

 

[Dog1]

It was mentioned favorably by a couple of us but didn't seem to be the OP's cup of tea.

The Tavor 7 is my favorite semi auto .308 that I own or have handled. My only complaint is the weight but it feels lighter than it is.

What's the recoil like with that? To be honest I had no idea they made one in 7.62x51. That has me intrigued

 

[DDadams]

Ruger SFAR changed the game for cheap lightweight 308 ARs.

Anyone saying battle rifles are outdated is crazy IMO.

The 5 round capacity difference isn't worth the trade off you get in benefits the 308 provides.

The 6.5cm is too expensive and hard to find compared to 308 should things ever go belly up.

308 gets a lot of hate for some reason these days but it sure puts down a lot of hate too on whatever it hits down range. Lots more hate than 5.56 puts down. At much further distances.

I'm a big fan of 308.


Edit: should anyone in here be upset by their 16" SFAR and want to sell it pm me

 

[Ark]

Ruger SFAR changed the game for cheap lightweight 308 ARs.

Anyone saying battle rifles are outdated is crazy IMO.

The 5 round capacity difference isn't worth the trade off you get in benefits the 308 provides.

The 6.5cm is too expensive and hard to find compared to 308 should things ever go belly up.

308 gets a lot of hate for some reason these days but it sure puts down a lot of hate too on whatever it hits down range. Lots more hate than 5.56 puts down. At much further distances.

I'm a big fan of 308.


Edit: should anyone in here be upset by their 16" SFAR and want to sell it pm me

Anyone who has ever slugged a steel plate at any kind of distance with a .308 versus a 5.56 ought to know there's a "there" there with the big boy calibers.

You can do a whole lot with a good 5.56 gun, but when it's time to punch through intermediate barriers or reach out and nail something, there is no replacement for displacement. There's a reason machine guns still shoot full rifle calibers and not 5.56. Not all that is relevant to civilians or police, but out in the downrange world you use bullets to wreck a lot more than just flesh.

I might not be sold on something like the Spear as general issue, but until someone makes 5.56 exploding smartrounds, full power calibers aren't obsolete.