a "friend" posted this on a social media site

[dansgotguns]

A Timeline Of Mass Shootings In The US Since Columbine | ThinkProgress


And

Homicide, suicide, and unintentional fi - PubMed Mobile


Anyone have any facts or statistics with references to battle this blasphemy

 

[Que]

Why fight it?

 

[steveh_131]

How do you know that it's blasphemy if you have no facts or reasoning to back up your opinion?

 

[rockhopper46038]

As Que says, don't bother. The type that reads ThinkProgress and that would post such an item are not rational people to engage with.

 

[Classic]

Firearms owners cannot feel or accept guilt by association for acts committed by hardened criminals and lunatics. Society has refused to do the right think and keep these people locked up. I am saddened by their collective actions and I wish things were different but the NRA, the 2nd Amendment, firearms and their legitimate owners are not responsible for the horrendous acts.

 

[Steelman]

I'm tired of this already.

Every barking moonbat Liberal in a 10,000 mile radius is posting facts and figures that point to gun control as a solution.

What law do we have to pass to make murder illegal?

 

[IndyDave1776]

How do you know that it's blasphemy if you have no facts or reasoning to back up your opinion?

The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders.

Here is a pretty good clue. I have never heard of any gun killing anyone of its own volition. I have, however, heard of people killing other who happened to have used a gun to do so. You may also notice that as few as 2 victims constitution a 'mass murder'.

 

[dansgotguns]

Why fight it?

Because I would like to educate this person on the truth about guns, but don't have the required facts to do so.

 

[dansgotguns]

How do you know that it's blasphemy if you have no facts or reasoning to back up your opinion?

I know its blasphemy because I know that guns arent the problem.

 

[dansgotguns]

I fight it because I know deep down its wrong, and someone trying to take my rights away infuriates me just as much as this does...

“Westboro will picket Sandy Hook Elementary School to sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment,” Shirley Phelps-Roper tweeted on Dec. 15.

Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church planning to picket - Oklahoma City Top News | Examiner.com

 

[steveh_131]

Here is a pretty good clue. I have never heard of any gun killing anyone of its own volition. I have, however, heard of people killing other who happened to have used a gun to do so. You may also notice that as few as 2 victims constitution a 'mass murder'.

I don't disagree with you.

I know its blasphemy because I know that guns arent the problem.

And how do you know that?

I suppose my point is this:

This is not an easy debate. As gun owners, we are generally considered to be toothless illiterate hillbillies. If your goal is to change minds on this subject, then you need to be well read and able to express your arguments in a logical and consistent manner.

If you go off half-cocked, copying and pasting stuff that people here are telling you, then you're only going to further reinforce the stereotype that plagues us.

Spend a few months reading up in the 2A and General Politics forums and you'll learn a whole heck of a lot about gun control, gun statistics, the constitution and politics in general. Decide what you believe and why. Then you'll be prepared to at least have some small chance of changing some minds.

 

[dansgotguns]

I completely get what your saying, I posted this in hopes of some quick facts with supporting evidence to use for the right now, because I don't have time to do any research. Bit trust me I am not adding to the stereotype you speak of, I try not to argue with these kinds of people I inform them I understand why they think what they think and then inform them of the truth. Just wanted some quick facts particularly related to the articles I posted.

I don't disagree with you.



And how do you know that?

I suppose my point is this:

This is not an easy debate. As gun owners, we are generally considered to be toothless illiterate hillbillies. If your goal is to change minds on this subject, then you need to be well read and able to express your arguments in a logical and consistent manner.

If you go off half-cocked, copying and pasting stuff that people here are telling you, then you're only going to further reinforce the stereotype that plagues us.

Spend a few months reading up in the 2A and General Politics forums and you'll learn a whole heck of a lot about gun control, gun statistics, the constitution and politics in general. Decide what you believe and why. Then you'll be prepared to at least have some small chance of changing some minds.

 

[Mosinguy]

I think it's funny many of you guys are friends on a networking site with people you can't stand.

 

[Diesel24v]

I think it's funny many of you guys are friends on a networking site with people you can't stand.

This is why I no longer engage in such sites. People that post things such as this will not accept the truth of the matter that those statistics reflect a huge mental health problem and not a firearm problem.

 

[dansgotguns]

And how do you know that?

The way I know that is like this: you can't tell a hardcore Christian that Jesus didn't exist, its unnatural to them. You can't tell me, as a gun owner, that guns are bad. It's unnatural to me. And yes I understand that logic can apply to antigun people because that's what they've always known. The difference is we are right and they are wrong and if we educate them on the truth just maybe they will leave the guns alone and focus on the real problems.

 

[dansgotguns]

I think it's funny many of you guys are friends on a networking site with people you can't stand.

It's family

 

[IndyDave1776]

The way I know that is like this: you can't tell a hardcore Christian that Jesus didn't exist, its unnatural to them. You can't tell me, as a gun owner, that guns are bad. It's unnatural to me. And yes I understand that logic can apply to antigun people because that's what they've always known. The difference is we are right and they are wrong and if we educate them on the truth just maybe they will leave the guns alone and focus on the real problems.

Just for fun, I am going to give you a hard time about Jesus. Historically, there is no question that he existed and was in fact executed by the Romans. The debate starts at the point of crediting him with being the Son of God--and yes, denying that can be a really hard sell with some of us. Anyway, back to my point--I understand what you meant, but when you wade into the fray it is a good thing to be extremely precise with everything you say. Look what happened to Richard Mourdock for sharing a very reasonable article of faith in a poorly phrased package that lent itself to being twisted into something far from what he meant--and cost him an election and put someone in office that I certainly do not trust to buck party and president.

 

[dansgotguns]

Just for fun, I am going to give you a hard time about Jesus. Historically, there is no question that he existed and was in fact executed by the Romans. The debate starts at the point of crediting him with being the Son of God--and yes, denying that can be a really hard sell with some of us. Anyway, back to my point--I understand what you meant, but when you wade into the fray it is a good thing to be extremely precise with everything you say. Look what happened to Richard Mourdock for sharing a very reasonable article of faith in a poorly phrased package that lent itself to being twisted into something far from what he meant--and cost him an election and put someone in office that I certainly do not trust to buck party and president.

And historically speaking guns aren't the problem, although some seem to believe so. Just as some believe Jesus never existed. And some believe the world will end on the 21st. I should've went with the son of god argument and not his existence, it wouldve made more sense but both work because there are always some on any side of an argument.

 

[IndyDave1776]

And historically speaking guns aren't the problem, although some seem to believe so. Just as some believe Jesus never existed. And some believe the world will end on the 21st. I should've went with the son of god argument and not his existence, it wouldve made more sense but both work because there are always some on any side of an argument.

This is true!

 

[sepe]

As Que says, don't bother. The type that reads ThinkProgress and that would post such an item are not rational people to engage with.

Heh, the type that only read one side of an argument (pick your side) aren't worth arguing or debating with because they almost never have an understanding of both sides.