A Refugee Crisis, Not an Immigration Crisis

[mrjarrell]

This lady makes a rather good point. A significant number of these kids coming here and crossing the border are doing so as refugees, not illegal immigrants. We do have some responsibility towards refugees and should see to caring for them properly. We are always quick to force others to take in refugees across the globe, but not often do we do it here in the US. The system needs ramping up to determine who's an actual refugee and who's not. Then we can deal with them properly. Refugees always remember being taken in and make pretty good citizens in time. This is something we need to address and right quickly. The house and the senate need to get their heads out of their asses and move. Immigration as a whole they won't address in anything approaching a timely manner, but this is different.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/opinion/sunday/a-refugee-crisis-not-an-immigration-crisis.html

 

[pudly]

They are being coached to say that they are refugees. I'd take that with a huge block of salt.

Cheat sheet shows illegal immigrants how to stay in U.S. if detained

 

[mrjarrell]

You do know that the Daily Fail is the National Enquirer of Great Britain? Keep your salt, you'll need it more than I. I'm also doubting you read the article.

 

[pearlman1966]

This lady makes a rather good point. A significant number of these kids coming here and crossing the border are doing so as refugees, not illegal immigrants. We do have some responsibility towards refugees and should see to caring for them properly. We are always quick to force others to take in refugees across the globe, but not often do we do it here in the US. The system needs ramping up to determine who's an actual refugee and who's not. Then we can deal with them properly. Refugees always remember being taken in and make pretty good citizens in time. This is something we need to address and right quickly. The house and the senate need to get their heads out of their asses and move. Immigration as a whole they won't address in anything approaching a timely manner, but this is different.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/opinion/sunday/a-refugee-crisis-not-an-immigration-crisis.html

Is that a fact?

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/article/2013/10/20131023285033.html#axzz37INAbHUn

We Need to Worry About Somali Terrorists in the U.S. | TIME.com

 

[pudly]

You do know that the Daily Fail is the National Enquirer of Great Britain? Keep your salt, you'll need it more than I.

Attacking the messenger again? Try reading the article and analyzing the info. I suppose you have an explanation for the sudden and simultaneous abuse all over Mexico, Central, and South America that is sending children to the US, but not their parents?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Refugees go through a process and are granted travel papers to LEGALLY enter.

See form: http://www.immihelp.com/forms/i-131-sample-application-refugee-travel-document.pdf

They don't sneak across the border and then, if they get caught, ask for permission to stay. Allowing them to do so is a slap in the face to everyone who does it the "right" way, and if we're going to give sneaks an advantage, why expect anyone to obey the rules? Its the difference between offering to buy something vs stealing it and then trying to pay for it when caught.

 

[mrjarrell]

Attacking the messenger again? Try reading the article and analyzing the info. I suppose you have an explanation for the sudden and simultaneous abuse all over Mexico, Central, and South America that is sending children to the US, but not their parents?

Not the messenger, at all. Just the source. If I need to know about Kim Kardashian or the latest lie about George Clooney, I'll check the Fail. Not for real news or commentary, though. As for why kids are suddenly coming, yeah. The violence is getting worse in the drug corridors with the influx of gang members that we've sent back down there. It's becoming a hellhole and the people are desperate. Read the article.

 

[pudly]

Well, since you can't handle the messenger, feel free to read the same info at the original source (as linked to by the Daily Mail).

 

[mrjarrell]

The Blaze? Glenn Beck is the unimpeachable source now? This just keeps getting better. Especially given that Beck is going to help the refugee kids.

 

[cobber]

The Blaze? Glenn Beck is the unimpeachable source now? This just keeps getting better. Especially given that Beck is going to help the refugee kids.

Interesting that you should be making fun of Beck. Weren't they just praising him on MSNBC as a true Christian man? Need a scorecard to keep on top of these things.

OP, if the situation in the home countries is that awful, why aren't families fleeing? And why just now do we have simultaneous crises breaking out all over?

As for the US not taking in refugees, see eg. Somalis as noted, Hmong, and Vietnamese refugees. Or Cubans. Now, what was that again about the US saying and not doing?

As for all the gang members we're sending down, somehow we missed plenty of them left here, and the supply there seems fairly ample to boot. I know of at least one Sur-13 member who got post-conviction relief and dodged deportation by convincing a judge that if he was returned to Mexico he would be subject to gang violence there. Yeah, better to engage in it here. When gang members worry about violence in their home countries, it must be bad!

 

[pudly]

The Blaze? Glenn Beck is the unimpeachable source now? This just keeps getting better. Especially given that Beck is going to help the refugee kids.

Feel free to point out where he is wrong. You area seriously hung up on the source and ignoring everything that questions why a large mass of children are actually coming here and are suddenly "refugees".

 

[mrjarrell]

Beck can make up anything he wants. He often does. There's no proving or disproving his assertions. They're just the words of a radio and tv talking head, not a journalist. Have you even read the article in the OP, yet? Where's SHE wrong? Many of these kids are fleeing a failed state and horrible violence. They are the very definition of the word refugee, despite what BB asserts.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[femurphy77]

They're just trying to soften our society; way back in the dark ages they were illegal aliens, then illegal workers, then undocumented workers, then undocumented migrants, then migrants and now they're refugees? They'll probably be "neighbors" tomorrow at this pace! As one of the signs said, "Send Them Home".

I'm an a55hole and I approve this message!

 

[mrjarrell]

The author doesn't make the assertion that all of them are refugees. Indeed, she makes it rather clear that many aren't and should be sent home. But the real refugees need to be taken in and be cared for as best we can. Or find places that can care for them. Not just send them back to the hellhole they came from. If any reading of the OP had gone on that would have been clear.

 

[cobber]

They're refugees because of the US drug problem? And who wants to bet what industry will be employing many of them if they remain?

And if the US were to 'solve' the drug problem, what are the odds they would go home? Of course the Dems will add them to the 'Dream Act' criteria.

Meanwhile, we're going to borrow more money we don't have to help people who aren't citizens. Which will not exactly help Americans who need assistance, and will inflate the debt more for the middle class. Unlikely these kids, if they remain, will be paying for these programs, since they'll be firmly ensconced in the federal gravy train.

Yeah, what's not to like about this pile of ?

 

[IndyDave1776]

The author doesn't make the assertion that all of them are refugees. Indeed, she makes it rather clear that many aren't and should be sent home. But the real refugees need to be taken in and be cared for as best we can. Or find places that can care for them. Not just send them back to the hellhole they came from. If any reading of the OP had gone on that would have been clear.

If you really believe that sh*t, then why don't you volunteer to take in a few of them. How do you square your usual beliefs with the suggestion that I should be happy to have money take from me at implied gunpoint to finance keeping people who shouldn't be here in the first place. You call yourself a Libertarian with an avatar that suggest anarchist, yet all of a sudden are in favor of a statist solution to a someone else's problem, if it in fact exists as presented all while you take a break from screaming about the government needing to operate according to the rule of law.

Oh, and in case you missed the memo, it could be that others of us are willing to believe the report of these individuals being coached on how to convert from illegal alien to refugee status and given cheat sheets because the Mexican government has been pulling this sh*t assisting illegal entry for decades.

 

[churchmouse]

 

[IndyDave1776]

Did you make enough for me to have some too?

 

[churchmouse]

Did you make enough for me to have some too?

Sure....with a Sprite if you like....

Interesting topic and how folks view it.

These people are coached. They know the rules and hurdles to jump. It is taught down that side of the border.