Adam Kokesh has home SWAT-teamed, faces years in prison

[jbombelli]

LOL. As I documented in another thread where we were arguing about prohibition, consumption did drop sharply the year after prohibition started, then steadily increased for the remaining years, but never reached the level it was at prior to prohibition.

So again, seriously, stop with the dishonest posts about prohibition. The facts aren't on your side and persisting in your claims is willfully dishonest, willfully ignorant, or both.

If Prohibition worked so well, and was such a good idea, as you obviously believe, why do you think it was repealed?

 

[rambone]

Again, my larger point is 1920's prohibition was very different than what we have today, so ANY comparison is flawed.

Oh brother. There are tons of applicable comparisons.

Both are inherently anti-capitalist.
Both subvert the free market.
Both take away individual liberty.
Both undermine property rights.
Both imprison non-violent people.
Both create government bureaucracy.
Both expand the power of the Feds.
Both undermine state sovereignty.
Both create black markets.
Both give rise to organized crime.
Both spurred violence rates.
Both are incompatible with a free society.


One worthwhile difference is that 1920s prohibition at least was done via constitutional amendment. What you support today is flagrantly unconstitutional.

 

[Destro]

I fully support heavy penalties for violent crimes.

INGOtarians only seem to support things that don't exist

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'd support legalization if home invasions, robberies, and other violent crimes committed while under the influence resulted in an automatic death penalty. If you want your drugs you better be able to keep on the straight and narrow. None of that **** with breaking into my house for money to get your fix.

I would argue that you are trying to make siamese twins out of two entirely separate issues. I don't give a damn why someone breaks in, what state of inebriation he is or is not in, or what he plans to do with the things he steals from me. He needs to either be shot on the spot or have free room and board for a very long time. Philosophically I agree with the death penalty for violent crime, but do not trust our corrupt government with that power aside from treason proven to constitutional standards.

 

[nawainwright]

Activist charged with openly carrying shotgun in DC | Fox News

Look who's only being charged with a weapon's offense. Nothing about evil mushrooms. Nothing about over the top raids.

 

[mrjarrell]

Activist charged with openly carrying shotgun in DC | Fox News

Look who's only being charged with a weapon's offense. Nothing about evil mushrooms. Nothing about over the top raids.

It's Faux News, you expect them to tell the whole story? Shoot, the story is just an AP blurb. Wouldn't expect any better from them.

 

[MisterChester]

Well, he DID break the law. Even if the law is unpopular, that doesn't mean you should break it. What was he expecting to happen after that anyway? That LE was going to let this slide?

 

[MisterChester]

It's Faux News, you expect them to tell the whole story? Shoot, the story is just an AP blurb. Wouldn't expect any better from them.

Wouldn't expect any better if it was msnbc or CNN either!

 

[BigMatt]

Well, he DID break the law. Even if the law is unpopular, that doesn't mean you should break it. What was he expecting to happen after that anyway? That LE was going to let this slide?

He did break the law, but the law needs to be enforced equally or it fails to be just. Even the UN agrees on that. United Nations and the Rule of Law

Maybe he was expecting LE to let it slide. Maybe he was expecting the same thing that happened to David Gregory from Meet The Press... Michelle Malkin | Did NBC?s David Gregory violate DC gun law on Meet the Press? «

 

[rambone]

Well, he DID break the law.

The government broke the law. The supreme law.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[MisterChester]

He did break the law, but the law needs to be enforced equally or it fails to be just. Even the UN agrees on that. United Nations and the Rule of Law

Maybe he was expecting LE to let it slide. Maybe he was expecting the same thing that happened to David Gregory from Meet The Press... Michelle Malkin | Did NBC?s David Gregory violate DC gun law on Meet the Press? «

I agree, it should be enforced equally. What David Gregory did and what Kokesh did are a little different, though. Kokesh had intention to break the law in the open, not sure what Gregory's story was but I doubt it was intentionally done to break the law. Either way, he took a huge risk and is paying the price.

 

[MisterChester]

The government broke the law. The supreme law.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is the People's Republic of DC we are talking about.

 

[csnoski]

I agree, it should be enforced equally. What David Gregory did and what Kokesh did are a little different, though. Kokesh had intention to break the law in the open, not sure what Gregory's story was but I doubt it was intentionally done to break the law. Either way, he took a huge risk and is paying the price.

David Gregory/NBC had contacted the DC PD and was told NOT TO DO IT. He did it anyway.

 

[jedi]

Well, he DID break the law. Even if the law is unpopular, that doesn't mean you should break it. What was he expecting to happen after that anyway? That LE was going to let this slide?

He did break the law, but the law needs to be enforced equally or it fails to be just. Even the UN agrees on that. United Nations and the Rule of Law

Maybe he was expecting LE to let it slide. Maybe he was expecting the same thing that happened to David Gregory from Meet The Press... Michelle Malkin | Did NBC?s David Gregory violate DC gun law on Meet the Press? «

I agree, it should be enforced equally. What David Gregory did and what Kokesh did are a little different, though. Kokesh had intention to break the law in the open, not sure what Gregory's story was but I doubt it was intentionally done to break the law. Either way, he took a huge risk and is paying the price.

David Gregory/NBC had contacted the DC PD and was told NOT TO DO IT. He did it anyway.

^This!!!

 

[MisterChester]

David Gregory/NBC had contacted the DC PD and was told NOT TO DO IT. He did it anyway.

Well in that case, they should have arrested him.

@jedi whether the legality of the law is questionable, it is STILL the law. You break it, there are consequences if you're caught. Simple as that. Kokesh was a Grade A dummy to walk into DC while OCing a loaded firearm without permission. Same thing with David Gregory. Stupid comes in many forms.

 

[mrjarrell]

Well in that case, they should have arrested him.

@jedi whether the legality of the law is questionable, it is STILL the law. You break it, there are consequences if you're caught. Simple as that. Kokesh was a Grade A dummy to walk into DC while OCing a loaded firearm without permission. Same thing with David Gregory. Stupid comes in many forms.

What Adam did was a true act of civil disobedience, a time honoured tradition of civil Rights activists. I support Adam in his endeavour. Bad laws should be disobeyed and broken all the time.

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

“Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it.”
― Howard Zinn

“An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

“An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so. Now the law of nonviolence says that violence should be resisted not by counter-violence but by nonviolence. This I do by breaking the law and by peacefully submitting to arrest and imprisonment.”
― Mahatma Gandhi, Non-violence in Peace and War 1942-49

 

[jedi]

Well in that case, they should have arrested him.

@jedi whether the legality of the law is questionable, it is STILL the law. You break it, there are consequences if you're caught. Simple as that. Kokesh was a Grade A dummy to walk into DC while OCing a loaded firearm without permission. Same thing with David Gregory. Stupid comes in many forms.

What Adam did was a true act of civil disobedience, a time honoured tradition of civil Rights activists. I support Adam in his endeavour. Bad laws should be disobeyed and broken all the time.

TY mrjarrell you said it better than I could have.

@MisterChester
The new law of the land is health insurance. Do you have it? Hope not otherwise you are a criminal as well.
The new law of the land is no books not approved by the .gov. Do you have any? Hope not otherwise you are a criminal as well.
The new law of the land is you will pay into social security. Are you? Hope you are otherwise you are a criminal as well.

Need I go on?

 

[MisterChester]

What Adam did was a true act of civil disobedience, a time honoured tradition of civil Rights activists. I support Adam in his endeavour. Bad laws should be disobeyed and broken all the time.

They should be by those who are willing to face the consequences. Not everyone who disagrees with laws break them. I certainly do not agree with DC's gun laws, but I am not willing to go there and OC firearms against their laws. Personally I would try to overturn the laws through the system. The SCOTUS themselves thought their ownership laws were BS, so that gives them some hope. I do think their gun laws are unconstitutional, and I really do hope they are changed.

 

[MisterChester]

TY mrjarrell you said it better than I could have.

@MisterChester
The new law of the land is health insurance. Do you have it? Hope not otherwise you are a criminal as well.
Yes I do. You would be breaking the law if you didn't pay the penalty. Not having insurance itself isn't breaking the law.
The new law of the land is no books not approved by the .gov. Do you have any? Hope not otherwise you are a criminal as well.
What books are banned? That's new to me.
The new law of the land is you will pay into social security. Are you? Hope you are otherwise you are a criminal as well.
Already do and rightfully so.

Need I go on?
Be my guest!

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[IndyDave1776]

Well in that case, they should have arrested him.

@jedi whether the legality of the law is questionable, it is STILL the law. You break it, there are consequences if you're caught. Simple as that. Kokesh was a Grade A dummy to walk into DC while OCing a loaded firearm without permission. Same thing with David Gregory. Stupid comes in many forms.

There is nothing questionable about the law. It is flagrantly unconstitutional, and while someone should be seeing a long stay in prison, Kokesh is not that person.