Advice on first Wheel Gun

[mjrducky]

I'm looking to pick up my first wheel gun and would like some advice on where to start.

To help narrow it down a little. I'm not looking to carry. Want something more for show, reliabilty, and fun to shoot.

When I think wheel gun I think cowboy style, draw!

Caliber not important at this time.

Something being made currently that should be available at most locations.

Price not important either.

So your recommendation? Pictures or make and model would be helpful

Thanks

 

[dbd870]

Sounds like you are after a single action. If you want rimfire I'd go with a Single Six; centerfire, a Blackhawk (Rugers). If I'm misreading you and you want a double action gun then I'd point you toward a Smith K frame.

 

[mjrducky]

Oh forgot that info.

Yes single action.

Thanks

 

[EdC]

Double action, price not an issue, eh? Narrow your search to Smith & Wesson, then. I own a 686 Plus, 4" bbl. Nice size, and I can carry it if I want to. If I knew I would never carry it, I would have gotten a 6"bbl. Sweet shooting gun, and a great piece of workmanship.

 

[EdC]

Double action, price not an issue, eh? Narrow your search to Smith & Wesson, then. I own a 686 Plus, 4" bbl. Nice size, and I can carry it if I want to. If I knew I would never carry it, I would have gotten a 6"bbl. Sweet shooting gun, and a great piece of workmanship.

Oops, thought you said double action. Only on my second cup of coffee. Sorry.

 

[padishar123]

Of all my wheel guns, i've shot my smith .357 more than anything else.

it's a heavier gun (vs. a snub nose) which translates to less recoil and good accuracy. in general i think .357/.38 is the perfect pistol caliber for just general shooting. it's a workhorse, easy to clean, and in general is my favorite range gun hands down.

i bought custom wood grips for mine though as i don't care for the rubber hogue style grips. i reload used brass for mine...dirt cheap to load and fun shooting. with a revolver reloading is not as critical as there is no semi-auto cycling to worry about....just safety and general quality rounds will suffice.

Product: Model 686 Revolver - 6", 6-Shot

Model 686 Revolver - 6", 6-Shot


My favorite cowboy would be my Ruger Super Blackhawk (.44 mag). i've found the recoil on a cowboy is less than a more standard. must have something to do with the different handle style.

 

[DWFan]

Buy two EAA Bounty Hunters; one in .22LR/.22 Mag and one in .44 Mag. You can buy both for nearly the same price as one Ruger. Send them both to Bob Munden for an Option 1 tuning job. The setup will run you less than a grand and they can share the same leather. If you are carrying a pair of single-actions tuned by "The World's Fastest Shootist", you don't have to fire them to make an impression with anyone.
Bob Munden - The Fastest Gun Who Ever Lived, Munden Enterprises, Fast Draw, Six-Gun Magic, Custom Gun Work, shooting videos, dvds, School of the Fast Gun, history of fast draw, appearances

 

[Steve]

+1 on the Ruger Super Blackhawk. Get it in stainless with a 6"-8" barrel. Excellent gun. Super reliable. And a real head turner at the range (.22 bang, .38 Bang, .357 Boom, .44 BAWOOM!!).

 

[jimbo-indy]

You said you wanted a single action. Ruger would be the way to go. The Vaquero series has fixed sights and the new models have a grip size that mimics the original Colt single action army (Peacemaker). The Blackhawk series is slightly larger and have adjustable sights. A Ruger single action will last several lifetimes. They are all coil spring mechanisms which eliminates the leaf spring breaking problems of the Colt design. Lots of accessories available.
If you want something special, look to Freedom Arms or USFA. These are much more expensive than Ruger but you are paying for craftsmenship over just a production gun.
As to caliber, I recommend 38/357 because of the wide variety of ammo and reloading componants available. A .22 rimfire version of your choice would be a fine investment too.
Single action revolvers are accurate, dependable and fun. You can shoot targets, hunt or play cowboy. Not bad for home defense either but you have to remember that you are limited to 6 shots. Reloading is painfully slow.
Consider purchasing a lever action rifle/carbine of the same caliber and get even more fun/versitility.

 

[dice dealer]

Ruger Blackhawk for sure ,....
Built like a tank , if you want smaller caliber , Ruger single-six ..

 

[Claddagh]

For sheer utility, Ruger. Single Six if you want a rimfire, NM Blackhawk in .357 for all-around recreational CF. IMO, for most folks these adjustable sight models offer the maximum in utility and the least hassle because they aren't dependent on any particular load for POA and POI to coincide.

If your budget will allow and historical "authenticity" and/or sheer beauty of finish and craftsmanship (and pride of ownership) is something you would appreciate then look at the USFA line. In the opinion of many afficianadoes they are the finest examples of the classic Colt SAA design ever produced.

 

[bigkahunasix]

If you are just looking for a "shooter" single action, then you should look also at Uberti, Beretta, Taurus- before you SA snobs poo-poo the idea remember that USFA used Uberti frames and parts to build their first few thousand revolvers. These guns are solid, accurate and a good value for the money spent. Lots of Cowboy Action shooters use them with excellent results.

 

[jason conley]

Smith &wesson has all shapes, sizes , weights, and capacities check the website

 

[Joe Williams]

A Ruger Single Six is a neat .22 revolver. Ful sized, adjustable sights, and can be had with a 2nd cylinder that shoots .22 Magnums.

A neat option for you, to make sure you can maximize your chances of finding ammo, is a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 Magnum/9mm. This comes with two cylinders, one that lets you shoot .38 Specials and .357s Magnums, and the other lets you shoot 9mm.

A Ruger Bearcat is a really neat little .22 single action revolver. It's smaller and lighter than the Single Six, and has fixed sights. It's a really nice trail and packing gun, and ours is a bunch of fun to shoot.

 

[cosermann]

I'll mention the GP-100 for double-action. Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet , is a fine gun, and doesn't have the stupid S&W internal lock.

+1 on the Ruger Blackhawk (or Vaquero for cowboy flavor) for single action.

 

[andyrping]

+100 on the Blackhawk.

How you could you not?

 

[johnwaynes44]

I have a Ruger Blackhawk .357 and love it. Single action wheel gun, very accurate and classic style. If you want real cowboy style go with the new Colt Cowboy. A revival of the classic Colt Army
[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica][SIZE=+1] The Cowboy - Colt's New Single-Action Sixgun[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica][SIZE=-1]By Dick Metcalf, Technical Editor, Shooting Times.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Colt has made some major changes to its famous Single Action Army, and the result is a modern revolver with classic Colt traits at less than half the price of the original.[/FONT][/FONT]
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ast year the famed Colt Single Action Army revolver passed its 125th birthday. Introduced in 1873 for the U.S. Army, the famed Peacemaker is without question the most familiar and immediately recognizable revolver ever manufactured. And its popularity as a gun to own and shoot remains unabated, even as the 20th century draws to a close. Many other more “modern” handgun designs have come and gone, yet customer demand for Colt’s SAA remains enduringly strong—so strong, in fact, that the dozens of lookalike guns on the current market, from Ruger’s premium Vaquero to the economical European American Armory Bounty Hunter, are among the largest selling handguns made. And as the sport of cowboy action shooting has grown, the interest in single actions has increased.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The only shadow over the SAA in recent years, in fact, has been that supply from Colt has been limited in number (actually, the SAA has not been a standard catalog item for some years; it has only been, and remains to be, a Colt Custom Shop offering). Not to mention its fairly expensive price ($1590 base price). Currently offered in .45 Colt and .44-40 with 4 3/4- or 5 1/2-inch barrels (.38-40 and 7 1/2-inch barrel length are available on occasion—call the Custom Shop for availability; phone: 800-962-2658, ext. 1437) and choice of color-casehardened/blued or overall bright nickel finishes, the original has lately been a very slow seller surrounded by a fast-moving flood of imitations, as even the most passionate fan finds it hard to pay as much as five times the price of a similar-featured alternative brand just to own the Colt label. But Colt has at last moved decisively to rectify this situation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Strikingly Similar To The SAA

First announced at the January 1998 SHOT Show and now finally in production, the new Colt Cowboy single-action revolver is specifically designed for the cowboy action competitor, Colt collector, and casual recreational shooter. It preserves virtually all of the styling, handling, and historical design characteristics of the original Single Action Army while incorporating several modern internal features and manufacturing techniques. And at a suggested retail price of $599, the Cowboy is less than half the cost of a “real” Colt SAA. It is initially offered only in .45 Colt chambering with 5 1/2-inch barrel and blued finish, but Colt spokesmen expect that additional chamberings, finishes, and barrel lengths will be warranted by demand.[/FONT]
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Two very interesting things about this new gun are how much it’s like the original and how very different it is from the original. Confused? Described simply, the new Colt Cowboy revolver is a Single Action Army featuring an investment-cast steel grip frame (compared to the forged original), a downscaled yet still classic-type finish, and a modern transfer bar ignition system. (The investment cast technology and less premium finish are what primarily account for the new gun’s more competitive pricing.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Put side by side, it is difficult to tell the new Colt Cowboy from an actual SAA, and there is no question but that Colt has taken great care to ensure that the handling characteristics, balance, style, and overall flavor of the classic original have been preserved in the updated gun. The shape and size of the frame, cylinder dimensions and fluting, grip configuration, barrel length, caliber, sights, and flat mainspring hammer function remain the same. The artificial “case-hard” finish on the frame closely resembles the appearance of true casehardened steel, and while the satin blue finish on the grip frame, the cylinder, and the barrel is not as high polish as the original, its overall effect is the same. I have to say the current finished product is much superior in this regard than the first prototypes I handled at the initial new product announcement over a year ago. The wait has been justified.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SPECS
Colt Cowboy
.45 Colt SA Revolver[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Manufacturer[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] ..........Colt’s Mfg. Co. Inc.
Box 1868
Hartford, CT 06102
Model .........................................Cowboy
Type .......................Single-action revolver
Caliber........................................ .45 Colt
Barrel length .........................5.5 inches
Overall length ...................10.25 inches
Weight, empty ...................38.5 ounces
Safety ...........Transfer bar ignition system
Sights .......Square topstrap channel rear;
classic SAA-type blade front
Sight radius ........................6.75 inches
Rifling ........................6 grooves, LH twist
Stocks ...............Checkered black plastic
Cylinder capacity ...................6 rounds
Finish ........................Casecolored frame;
satin blue cylinder, barrel,
and grip frame
Price ...............................................$599[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A number of parts are actually interchangeable between the Cowboy revolver and the current SAA—including trigger, barrel, ejector rod assembly, and grip frame. Non-interchangeable parts include the cylinder, cylinder frame, hammer, grip panels, and (of course) the transfer bar ignition parts. One of the SAA’s strengths has always been the low number of parts used in its construction, and Colt has been successful from an engineering point of view in incorporating the transfer bar ignition with a minimum design disruption and minimum additional parts.
[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Of course, there are some differences between the SAA and the Cowboy that are visible on close inspection. The checkered black plastic grip panels on the Cowboy have the same molded-in rampant Colt logo at the top as does the current SAA, but the eagle seal and motto that appears on the original’s grips is nowhere to be found on the Cowboy. The Cowboy’s hammer is slightly smaller in actual dimension, has a slightly different shape, and utilizes horizontal grooves on the top of the spur rather than the crosshatch pattern on the SAA. The base pin bushing inside the cylinder is fixed on the Cowboy, whereas it was removable in earlier versions of the SAA. The base pin itself is the same diameter as on the SAA, but it is a bit shorter and has a spring-loaded plunger in its rear tip (due to the presence of the transfer bar system). The frame thickness of the Cowboy (measured at the topstrap) is about 0.02 inch thicker than the SAA’s (a nominal .730 inch compared to .710 inch), again due to the requirements of the transfer bar system.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Major Difference Is The Transfer Bar Ignition

The new transfer bar system is by far the most important aspect of the Cowboy’s design, solving what has always been the least desirable aspect of the original SAA mechanism. The SAA design allows the hammer at rest to put the tip of the hammer-mounted firing pin directly against the primer of any cartridge that is loaded in the barrel-aligned chamber. In this position any external blow against the hammer will likely discharge that cartridge. Hence the century-old stricture against carrying a revolver with a loaded chamber under the hammer (making all those frontier six-shooters actually five-shooters).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In contrast, a transfer bar ignition system, such as pioneered by Iver Johnson and popularized by Ruger, places a trigger-activated steel bar between the face of the hammer and the rear of a spring-loaded firing pin in the frame, a bar that does not move into place until the trigger is pulled all the way to the rear in actual deliberate firing. At rest the bar is withdrawn and the hammer face rests directly against the frame, making no contact with the firing pin at all. So the new Colt Cowboy can be safely carried with six rounds loaded while the SAA cannot. This is a major advancement and truly brings the Colt single-action configuration into the 20th century—just as we get ready to enter the 21st century. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“This is a major advancement and truly brings the Colt single-action configuration into the 20th century—just as we get ready to enter the 21st century.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Colt is to be commended for having incorporated its transfer bar design into the Cowboy mechanism with so little disruption of classic SAA characteristics. Some necessary changes include the absence of the firing pin from the face of the hammer, and the handpiece that engages the ratchets on the rear of the cylinder has a different shape. There is no separate hardened firing pin bushing around the pin hole in the firewall of the frame. And, of course, the classic four clicks

always heard when cocking a true Colt Single Action Army are now just three clicks on the Cowboy, as the initial slight “safety notch” on an SAA hammer just rearward from full-rest position is no longer there. Purists will miss it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But purists will also appreciate the fact that Colt did not go the two-click route by making the loading gate the active part in freeing cylinder rotation for loading like Ruger did with its single actions. Instead, the Colt Cowboy’s cylinder rotates free at the halfcock notch, independent of loading gate position, and that all-important third click is preserved. All four clicks still remain on the current SAA—which will likely be justification enough for some Colt fans to continue paying more than twice the price of the Cowboy just to hear them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Cowboy Is A “Real” Shooter
Firing the Cowboy side by side with a “real” SAA quickly demonstrated that all the “flavor” of the original remains intact. Not one person out of the half-dozen shooters who test fired the review sample could tell any difference. The fit and workmanship on the Cowboy is every bit as tight and fine-line as the real thing. According to computerized Triggerscan analysis, the test gun offered a 5.234-pound trigger pull with 10.5-millisecond locktime—which is typical of any box-stock SAA—and pistolsmith Richard Heinie, a member of Shooting Times’ “Ask The Experts” panel, regards the Cowboy every bit as “tunable” as the SAA itself.[/FONT]
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I fired a series of review groups with a variety of commercial cowboy action ammunition loads and personal defense loads at the common 50-foot target distance generally used by cowboy action competitors. As a look at the accompanying chart reveals, the results compare very well to any other single-action-type revolver on today’s market and are actually better than many. As a point of information, the new Cowboy is factory-specced for point-of-aim/point-of-impact intersection at 50 feet when firing traditional SAAMI-spec 255-grain lead roundnose ammunition. So some of the ultra-light cowboy factory loads on the market (as well as many popular competition handload recipes) will therefore shoot above or below. Low-impact rounds can be “zeroed” by lowering the height of the front sight; high-impact rounds present more of a problem for adjustment, given the Cowboy’s frame-channel rear sight notch.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Colt fans have been waiting a long time to see if the grand old gunmaker would ever bring forth a modernized Single Action Army that did not sell out on the appeal of the original. Well, I believe it’s here.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Shooting Colt’s .45 Colt Cowboy[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Factory Load[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Velocity (fps)[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Velocity[/FONT] Variation ([FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]fps[/FONT])[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]50-Foot Accuracy (inches)[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CCI Blazer
200-gr. JHP[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]843[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]29[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2.13[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Black Hills
250-gr. RN/FP[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]679[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]46[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2.00[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] PMC
250-gr. Lead FP[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]714[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]35[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2.38[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Remington
250-gr. Lead FP[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]775[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]38[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2.50[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Hornady
255-gr. FP[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]726[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]32[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2.25[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Overall
average accuracy[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2.25[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NOTES: Accuracy is the average of five six-shot groups fired
from a sandbag benchrest at 50 feet. Velocity is the average
of six rounds measured 15 feet from the gun’s muzzle.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This article was originally published in Shooting Times magazine in August, 1999.[/FONT]
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[Hoosier45]

+1 on the Blackhawk. I have both Blackhawks and Vaqueros but I shoot the Blackhawks more because they have better sights. If I could only have one it would be in .357 so you could shoot .38s as well. I like the 6 1/2" barrel.

 

[mospeada]

If you want a SA that impresses, buy a Colt SAA, you will not go wrong there.

USFA's are fine guns as well.

Schofields are wonderful, the S&W 2000 version was a bit too tight IMO.

Quite honestly, any of the reproduction guns are pretty good anymore, the older Uberties had some fit/finish issues, but those are pretty much gone now.

If you want a hoot to shoot and don't mind the frustration, get a cap and ball gun. They are fun, but frustrating. Definitely not plinker material.

Me? I shoot Ruger Old Model Vaqueros as they are durable tanks and fit my large hands better.

 

[Rogercaruthers]

Try looking at Heritage revolvers also... They are cheaper and definitely reliable.. I love mine. They have nickeled versions as well which are nice for showing off. Single action revolvers are my favorite and a Ruger blackhawk is a close second to the Heritage for me. Im not a fan of the sights. But definitely look around. It pays to shop and get what you like. BTW Colts are always nice as well... Just a tad more expensive