Agent Orange while in Vietnam ?

[tenring]

This might help if you were "in country" during that fracus.


TABLE 6-1 Examples of Agent Orange Exposure Opportunity Index Scores[SUP]a[/SUP]

Index Score = 1 (minimum opportunities for exposure)
1.	Service in selected locations at specific times (any job description except handling Agent Orange), e.g., Cam Ranh Bay (1966), Qui Nhon (1968-1969), Nha Trang (1967-1968)
2.	Non-Ranch Hand pilots and aircrew (1966-1967)
3.	Specified controlled environments, e.g., battalion surgeon (1968)
Index Score = 2
1.	Service in selected locations at specific times, e.g., Gia Le (1969-1970), Phan Rang (other than September-December 1968, March-September 1970), Qui Nhon (1968-1969)
2.	Selected noninfantry occupations at specified places and times, e.g., company clerk—Duc Pho (1968-1969), radio repairman—Chu Lai (1966-1967), truck driver—Cu Lam Nam (1968)
3.	Noninfantry stationed at selected bases with perimeter spraying, e.g., wireman—Chu Lai (1968-1969)
Index Score = 3
1.	Service at bases with perimeter spray operations, specified times, e.g., Chu Lai (1968-1969), Camp Eagle (1968-1969), LZ English (1967-1968)
2.	Selected noninfantry occupations at specified locations and times, e.g., salvage specialist—Danang (1969-1970), M.P.—Danang (1968-1969), wheeled vehicle mechanic—Long Binh (1966-1967)
Index Score = 4
1.	Infantry/combat arms at specified locations and times, e.g., An Khe (1966-1967), Tam Ky (1967-1968), Tay Ninh (1969-1970)
2.	Selected noninfantry at specified locations and times, e.g., Helicopter pilot—Cu Chi (1966-1967), M.P.—Long Binh (1967-1968)
3.	Advisors of Army, Republic of Vietnam Divisions (1968-1969)
4.	Special Forces Camps (field personnel), e.g., Nha Trang (1969-1970)
Index Score = 5 (most numerous opportunities for exposure)
1.	Infantry/combat arms at specified locations and times, e.g., A Shau Valley (1969), Tay Ninh (1968), Phuoc Vinh (1967)
2.	Service at specified locations and times with aborted Ranch Hand missions or other herbicide mishaps, e.g., Bien Hoa AFB (July 1967, November 1968), Long Binh Post (1967-1969), Phu Cat AFB (1969-70)
[SUP]a[/SUP] See text for description. SOURCE: Erickson et al., 1984a.

 

[Dead Duck]

It exists until you go to the VA with cancer, then it's Deny-Deny-Deny.

 

[jamil]

It exists until you go to the VA with cancer, then it's Deny-Deny-Deny.

I know a guy. He got a settlement. Took a very long time to win it. And he had cancer when he won. If you call cancer winning. So there's that.

 

[ruger1800]

Agent Orange deformities: The children of Vietnam?s horrific legacy

agent orange is a concentrated version of roundup herbacide.

 

[Dave Doehrman]

The VA has changed their criteria for Agent Orange exposure. Anyone who set foot (boots on the ground) in Vietnam is presumed to have been exposed. Also, people who served along the DMZ in Korea within certain time periods are considered to be exposed. Go to this link for details:

Exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam - Public Health

The following link lists all the conditions and diseases the VA associates with Agent Orange exposure:

Veterans' Diseases Associated with Agent Orange - Public Health

Some of these conditions and diseases are considered to be presumptive, Type II Diabetes for example.

I was awarded 100% Total & Permanent compensation plus SMC (Special Monthly Compensation) since my combined ratings equal 330% disabled.

If you stepped foot on the ground in Nam or Korea, get a hold of your VA or County Service Officer and get scheduled for the free screening for all the presumptive conditions listed in the second link.

 

[Hammer]

agent orange is a concentrated version of roundup herbacide.

LOL, Do a little research for yourself and you will find out how uninformed you really are.

Roundup (glyphosate) is not even a remote resemblance chemically to 2,4,5-T which is referred to as Agent Orange.

 

[wagyu52]

Agent Orange deformities: The children of Vietnam?s horrific legacy

agent orange is a concentrated version of roundup herbacide.

No not really, they are both herbicides and that's where the similarities end. Don't believe the Anti GMO propaganda, they lie.
Illumination: Agent Orange, Monsanto, and a Little Clarificiation

 

[ruger1800]

Roundup + Agent Orange: Dr. Oz calls out EPA over glyphosate, 2,4-D combo herbicide Enlist Duo - WTF RLY REPORT

2-4-D

 

[Hammer]

Roundup + Agent Orange: Dr. Oz calls out EPA over glyphosate, 2,4-D combo herbicide Enlist Duo - WTF RLY REPORT

2-4-D

2-4-D is not Agent Orange Neither is Round Up.


2,4,5-T is the herbicide that was known as Agent Orange. And contrary to popular belief, Monsanto is not the guilty culprit of this screw up. The US government is. The Government needed a defoliant to us in the jungles of Vietnam so they sent out for bids for a defoliant to use. Monsanto submitted a bid for 2,4,5-T but was not the successful bidder and a company out of New Zealand was awarded the bid. Monsanto knew that the process they used had high consecrations of Dioxin due to the process used to make it and they let the US Government know about it. But since it was not being used on US soil they did not have to comply with any rules here in the US. Add in the fact that the soldiers were given no instruction on proper applications and dumped this product full strength on the jungles and the soldiers when it should have been mixed with water at a diluted concentration. So with a cut rate product and over application is the reason we have this friggin mess our soldiers are suffering from now.

 

[wagyu52]

Roundup + Agent Orange: Dr. Oz calls out EPA over glyphosate, 2,4-D combo herbicide Enlist Duo - WTF RLY REPORT

2-4-D

These are the same people that tell you guns and bullets kill people and should be ban. You should make yourself aware of what their agenda really is.

 

[ruger1800]

2-4-D is not Agent Orange Neither is Round Up.


2,4,5-T is the herbicide that was known as Agent Orange. And contrary to popular belief, Monsanto is not the guilty culprit of this screw up. The US government is. The Government needed a defoliant to us in the jungles of Vietnam so they sent out for bids for a defoliant to use. Monsanto submitted a bid for 2,4,5-T but was not the successful bidder and a company out of New Zealand was awarded the bid. Monsanto knew that the process they used had high consecrations of Dioxin due to the process used to make it and they let the US Government know about it. But since it was not being used on US soil they did not have to comply with any rules here in the US. Add in the fact that the soldiers were given no instruction on proper applications and dumped this product full strength on the jungles and the soldiers when it should have been mixed with water at a diluted concentration. So with a cut rate product and over application is the reason we have this friggin mess our soldiers are suffering from now.

Watched a a documentary years ago that showed film footage of guys playing in the powdered form of this stuff, pretty sad they were told the stuff was harmless.

 

[steveh_131]

Watched a a documentary years ago that showed film footage of guys playing in the powdered form of this stuff, pretty sad they were told the stuff was harmless.

He's right. Even if the chemical composition is different, they floated the same propaganda about the safety of Agent Orange that they now push about roundup.

And when it's finally proven to be toxic, the victims will have just as little recourse. And yet we trust them and their crony-funded 'research'.... why?

 

[steveh_131]

2,4,5-T is the herbicide that was known as Agent Orange. And contrary to popular belief, Monsanto is not the guilty culprit of this screw up. The US government is. The Government needed a defoliant to us in the jungles of Vietnam so they sent out for bids for a defoliant to use. Monsanto submitted a bid for 2,4,5-T but was not the successful bidder and a company out of New Zealand was awarded the bid. Monsanto knew that the process they used had high consecrations of Dioxin due to the process used to make it and they let the US Government know about it. But since it was not being used on US soil they did not have to comply with any rules here in the US. Add in the fact that the soldiers were given no instruction on proper applications and dumped this product full strength on the jungles and the soldiers when it should have been mixed with water at a diluted concentration. So with a cut rate product and over application is the reason we have this friggin mess our soldiers are suffering from now.

I believe this is incorrect. Direct from Monsanto's website:

From 1965 to 1969, the former Monsanto Company was one of nine wartime government contractors who manufactured Agent Orange.

Interesting tidbit, Monsanto still denies that Agent Orange is dangerous:

While a causal connection linking Agent Orange to chronic disease in humans has not been established, some governments have made the decision to provide certain medical benefits to veterans and their families even though there has not been a determination that an individual’s health problem was caused by Agent Orange.

 

[femurphy77]

Makes you proud doesn't it? Kinda opens the window on why so many people are pissed at the U.S. And no I'm not bashing my country but regardless of that pride it's been known (and unknown) to do some pretty ****ty things.

The old man was in Chu Lai in '69 calculating fire missions. He never had to deal with cancer or ptsd but perhaps it might have had some input on the COPD that eventually did take him.

 

[winchester]

im also pissed. i believe agent orange killed both of my parents. my dad was was u.s. army e5 in the army asa (army security agency) 5th rru from 65-69. i think from his pics he was stationed somewhere in thialand during his service. from what ive learned since his passing his base was drenched with the stuff. my dad never spoke of his service, only thing he ever told me was he carried a radio and he was not allowed to talk about it. he was diagnosed with multiple myeloma in 2002 while suffering from crippling back pain. at the time the dr's said it was just a very rare cancer that just happens sometimes. now its listed as condition possibly caused by agent orange??? he survived his very painful bone morrow transplant and lived till 2007 and got to hold my youngest son for a few times before he died at the age of 62. my moms life was taking care of him and she died a few months later from a broken heart at 63. i am pissed that my 3 boys never really got to know the greatest 2 people that i ever knew. im pissed that my incompetent, corrupt govt ****s everything up and wastes the money they put into social security. im pissed

 

[bobjones223]

im also pissed. i believe agent orange killed both of my parents. my dad was was u.s. army e5 in the army asa (army security agency) 5th rru from 65-69. i think from his pics he was stationed somewhere in thialand during his service. from what ive learned since his passing his base was drenched with the stuff. my dad never spoke of his service, only thing he ever told me was he carried a radio and he was not allowed to talk about it. he was diagnosed with multiple myeloma in 2002 while suffering from crippling back pain. at the time the dr's said it was just a very rare cancer that just happens sometimes. now its listed as condition possibly caused by agent orange??? he survived his very painful bone morrow transplant and lived till 2007 and got to hold my youngest son for a few times before he died at the age of 62. my moms life was taking care of him and she died a few months later from a broken heart at 63. i am pissed that my 3 boys never really got to know the greatest 2 people that i ever knew. im pissed that my incompetent, corrupt govt ****s everything up and wastes the money they put into social security. im pissed

Yes I hate to say it but 62 to 65 seems to be the magic age depending on when they were in country. The four vets that I have been close to all passed in that same age line from the two common ones of cancer and massive heart attacks. I hate to say it but the massive heart attack ones were the lucky ones.....cancer is no way to go!

 

[Redtbird]

Yes I hate to say it but 62 to 65 seems to be the magic age depending on when they were in country. The four vets that I have been close to all passed in that same age line from the two common ones of cancer and massive heart attacks. I hate to say it but the massive heart attack ones were the lucky ones.....cancer is no way to go!

I've reached age 69, have Type 2 Diabetes, Neuropathy in both lower extremities, Ischemic Heart Disease (= three heart attacks and two stents) and Tinnitus. When I wake up in the mornings, I say, "Thank you for another day". I was also in the ASA (RRC in country) and was on Engineer's Hill in Pleiku. There was lots of bare ground on base, and the grass outside the perimeter wasn't all that high. I've read that after I left in May 67, the area outside the wire was heavily sprayed to promote visibility. So far, no cancer, but I keep my fingers crossed and watch various spots here and there on my skin. I get a payment each month from the VA, medical care, and I don't have to pay for my many prescriptions. I wish I didn't have to live this way, but I keep taking my meds and keep on living. Could our government and the VA do more for the Veterans? Yes, they certainly could.

 

[JTScribe]

My father-in-law was at Hamburger Hill (and in a truly ironic twist of fate, he was portrayed by a black dude in the movie) and has had to have a pacemaker installed due to arrhythmia. He went through a bunch of testing and it was determined to be a result of AO, so he's also getting some disability as well. It's crazy how nasty that stuff was.