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  • Mgderf

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    I just finished reading an article in the newest edition of Guns and Ammo magazine about Aquila ammunition, made in Mexico.
    I'm familiar with the brand, at least in small caliber ammo. I've actually shot quite a bit of the .22 offerings.

    What really took me aback in the article was the description of the factory.

    "Tecnos (owner of Aquila) has had a long history of supplying ammunition to the United States. You might be more familiar with it wearing the Remington brand.
    The plant was originally set up by by Remington in 1961 with a staff of 70 people.
    If you've shot Remington ammo in the past 30 years, there's a high likelihood that you were shooting ammunition made here.
    Today, Tecnos is Mexico's largest ammunition company and produces in excess of a billion cartridges annually.
    It is the main supplier to the Mexican military and law enforcement, and it exports to five continents, supplying ammo to the armed forces in several countries.

    Today. the ammunition facilities sit on 120 acres with 870 employees working 24 hours a day.
    The plant includes a shot tower (shotgun pellets are formed using gravity) several ammo production buildings, a shooting range, a ballistics facility, a training range and storage buildings that each house 18 tons of powder.
    Since thundershowers are common in this area, lightning rods are a must along with weather monitors..."


    O.K.
    The highlighted part caught my eye. 18 TONS of powder? In EACH building!!!?
    How would you store 18 TONS of powder?
    It can't be delivered in an open container, like grain, and you wouldn't want it packaged in pound packages if you're working with that volume.

    I'm curious now.
    How WOULD you store that much powder? How long would it take to go through 18 tons of powder, even producing a billion rounds a year?
    You would need to worry about temperature/humidity control, static electricity would be a killer, literally.

    The logistics just boggles my mind.

    Has anyone here ever been on a tour through an ammunition pant?
    I would think it would be a fascinating tour.
     

    Leo

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    I remember sharing a 40 lb heavy cardboard drum of powder with an old gentleman. It was a non canister grade powder for commercial reloaders. The man said he had purchased a pallet of those 40 lb drums. I also remember you could get Bullseye pistol powder in 24 lb cardboard drums. Some guys in leagues would chip in together to same money. 24 lbs of Bullseye would load 65,000 .38 wadcutters, few individuals could use a full drum. They were thick cardboard like a concrete form. I have no Idea how the Mexicans handle large lots of powder, but I can see where pallets of 40 lb containers would be easier to warehouse (and keep tract of lot numbers for quality control) .
     
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    87iroc

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    18 tons of powder would load...assuming an average of 35 grains per round(assuming more rifle than pistol...but you can adjust and judge from this number its not that much)...

    Anyway, 18 tons would load 7.2 million rounds of ammo at 35 grains each.

    You would need 139 18 ton shipments of powder(if my math is right) to load a billion rounds a year..thats assuming its right at a billion.

    My guess is it comes in in 55 gallon drums...but I have no idea really how they'd ship it..
     

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    Never have seen powder in anything bigger than a 20 pound metal keg. Hercules the ancestor of Alliant shipped nitrocellulose in special galvanized 55 gallon open top drums. Maybe they shipped powder the same way.:dunno:
     

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    Mgderf

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    Never have seen powder in anything bigger than a 20 pound metal keg. Hercules the ancestor of Alliant shipped nitrocellulose in special galvanized 55 gallon open top drums. Maybe they shipped powder the same way.:dunno:

    Even if they produce the powder on site, I can't imagine how you would hold and process that much powder.
    I don't think I've ever seen anything larger than an 8lb container.
     

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    Kirk Freeman

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    Dinner is in oven, so here are some more tours:

    Lake City (Missouri): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQquwkALxa4

    Tour of Winchester (East Alton, IL): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XhOSXD-VKE

    Tour of Barnes (Utah): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN3-n_YYP24

    Norma (Western Sweden): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2TnpFw2v8

    Starline Brass (Missouri): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ssMmD_tXE

    Fiocchi Ammunition (Northern Italy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwEgAkI6sEA

    Aguilla Ammunition (Mexico, in Spanish): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG9ijlFZa4o

    RWS (Germany): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53TC3HYZAE

    CCI (Idaho): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qMsmucXhI
     
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    ScouT6a

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    I buy black powder in 25 pound bags. At an average of 50 grains of powder per shot, (.36 -.45 -.50 -.62 calibers) that's 3,500 shots.
    Would love to buy that much smokeless.
     

    jrh84

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    I toured Lake City in January 2008 for a job interview with ATK. Fascinating place. I was offered the job, but was afraid that working there would ruin the hobby for me.

    IIRC, they were putting out 2-3 million rounds if 5.56 per day, 1-2 million rounds of 7.62, 250-500k of .50 cal, and assembled 100k of 20mm per day. As you can imagine, I've never seen anywhere close to that much ammo before or since. I'm sure those #'s have changed since.

    Unfortunately don't remember anything about the powder storage. I vaguely remember large hoppers on the charging/loading machines, but nothing past that. I do remember having to wear grounding straps on my shoes to prevent static discharge, and them saying every once in a while, they'd get a spark and have a few rounds "pop off." They laughed it off like it was no big deal and fairly common. Me? Not so much.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    Dinner is in oven, so here are some more tours:

    Lake City (Missouri): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQquwkALxa4

    Tour of Winchester (East Alton, IL): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XhOSXD-VKE

    Tour of Barnes (Utah): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN3-n_YYP24

    Norma (Western Sweden): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2TnpFw2v8

    Starline Brass (Missouri): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ssMmD_tXE

    Fiocchi Ammunition (Northern Italy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwEgAkI6sEA

    Aguilla Ammunition (Mexico, in Spanish): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG9ijlFZa4o

    RWS (Germany): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53TC3HYZAE

    CCI (Idaho): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qMsmucXhI

    Huh. Considering the price of Norma's ammo, I figured they must store their powder in 18 kt. gold barrels. :):
     

    gundoc111

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    I have a S&W 940 wheel gun that shoots Aquila the best. It is EXCELLENT ammo but funny that the ammo description, and all the warnings on the box, are in Spanish first and English second.
     

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