Are Americans done defending Israel?

[jamil]

You talking about me? I saw one reply which was very, very silly (basically "well Hamas has lied before so hah!") logged out and forgot about the thread. Care to point me in the direction of the rebuttals ?(35 pages, 25+ of which consist of "Israel ftw bc Arabs, everyone who doesn't get that is crazy liberal hipster. Here's a link from Fox News showing how awful Palestinians are") mutual masturbation. I don't have patience for that.

Your fly is open.

 

[ryancantshoot]

Your fly is open.

Good. I'm going out to walk the dog, the neighborhood girls deserve a treat.

I leave you with some war porn before bed, funded by all of us in this thread.. you know, for retaliation against Hamas who killed those boys even though they didn't.

Lives stream from Gaza:

Gaza Twin Camz on USTREAM: . World News

Night guys/gals.

 

[Libertarian01]

To Ryancantshoot (and the rest of ya'll),

After reading nine (9) pages of this the answer to your original thread question is "NO. Americans are NOT done defending Israel."

So endeth the lesson.

Let us drink beer, eat bacon, and shoot guns!

Doug

PS - Sepe, was that "less formal" for you?

 

[jamil]

Good. I'm going out to walk the dog, the neighborhood girls deserve a treat.

I leave you with some war porn before bed, funded by all of us in this thread.. you know, for retaliation against Hamas who killed those boys even though they didn't.

Lives stream from Gaza:

Gaza Twin Camz on USTREAM: . World News

Night guys/gals.

and they say home schooled kids have social problems. You know, perhaps you might be less angry at people who think differently from you if you didn't infer all the evil you think people believe.

 

[GIJEW]

Here's why "innocent" people get killed in Palestinian lands:

In case that was too cryptic, let's make it even simpler:

In these pictures, I'll cut hamas and fatah a tiny bit of slack. It looks like all the kids--the dead to be, children--are just clamoring for their turn to play the shahid game just like they're indoctrinated too. ya'ani, wheen g'indi il cHarb? kma'an ana biddi shahada. The cartoon is still spot-on though

 

[GIJEW]

The original plan was a 2-state solution. In fact, that was passed by the UN vote. The Palestinians didn't want a 2-state solution, so in defiance of the UN vote, they waged war on the Jewish portions of Palestine in an attempt to win all the land through military conquest. They lost. And Israel claimed all the land instead. (Makes me chuckle every time.). Contrary to popular belief, the whole of Palestine wasn't just given to the Jews.

He's refering to the balfour declaration that called for establishing a 'Jewish homeland' in what was a sparsely populated back-water of the defeated ottoman empire, that just happened to be significant to 'us'. You're refering to the UN partition plan of 1947 which proposed to divide the CONTESTED territory into 2 states (like the Peel-commission did in 1937). Of course the partition plan required relinquishing any claim to territory allocated to the 'other' and if it wasn't MUTUALLY agreed upon, then nothing was binding on the parties. Just like the arabs have refused to relinquish any claim to any land (Tel Aviv is occupied territory to them--even though it was sand dunes in 1900) Israel hasn't relinquished any territorial claims either, though it's offered too in exchange for peace--in 1947 and twice in the last 15 years. To those who don't know, were no "1967 borders". Those were just cease-fire lines.
Ultimately, it's not for world-powers-that-be to decide the issue. It's up to the locals. One side of the conflict has a religious objection to coexistence so the issue will remain unresolved for our lifetimes.
There was a time when I prayed for peace and thought there was a moral imperative to try peace via the "oslo accords". Twenty years after that disaster, seeing my bros-at-arms having to send their kids off to pick up where we left off, I just pray for their safety. עם ישראל חי

 

[Dead Duck]

Tavor

 

[Dead Duck]

Go David!!

 

[HeadlessRoland]

5 Reasons Israel Is Good and Hamas Is Evil

 

[billt]

I think Israel is more prone to kill Muslims without the help of the United States. In that regard I hope things stay the way they are. You always tend to be more trigger happy if you feel more threatened.

 

[HoughMade]

[video=youtube;8EDW88CBo-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8[/video]

 

[jbombelli]

In these pictures, I'll cut hamas and fatah a tiny bit of slack. It looks like all the kids--the dead to be, children--are just clamoring for their turn to play the shahid game just like they're indoctrinated too. ya'ani, wheen g'indi il cHarb? kma'an ana biddi shahada. The cartoon is still spot-on though

That's why I put the word "innocent" in quotation marks. I thought about using purple.

 

[88GT]

I'm on my phone now, but I saw an article linked from Drudge that said a cache of rockets has been found in a SCHOOL in the Gaza

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm on my phone now, but I saw an article linked from Drudge that said a cache of rockets has been found in a SCHOOL in the Gaza

Why am I not surprised? Hamas launch rockets from a school? Oh, never.

 

[Expat]

I'm on my phone now, but I saw an article linked from Drudge that said a cache of rockets has been found in a SCHOOL in the Gaza

20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza | The Times of Israel

 

[IndyDave1776]

20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza | The Times of Israel

Well how about that? In a UN-run school no less. After you cut through the political double-speak, we are left with the question of just how the Hell did Hamas manage to sneak these into the school without anyone knowing it. It isn't like the things can be hidden in their undershorts.

 

[JettaKnight]

The only people I feel sorry for is Palestinian Christians caught in the middle. They're just trying to manage without being harassed.

The history of Israel may be easy, but understanding all the current nuances and fallout of that history is not. If Palestine would get some leadership that's not belligerent and violent, things could be a lot better...

But enough prognosticating and condemning from a world away. I will say this, the IDF is the last army I'd pick a fight with.

 

[88GT]

20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza | The Times of Israel

Yep, that's it. Thanks.

 

[88GT]

The only people I feel sorry for is Palestinian Christians caught in the middle. They're just trying to manage without being harassed.

The history of Israel may be easy, but understanding all the current nuances and fallout of that history is not. If Palestine would get some leadership that's not belligerent and violent, things could be a lot better...

But enough prognosticating and condemning from a world away. I will say this, the IDF is the last army I'd pick a fight with.

The Palestinians are moderately democratic in choosing their leadership. They get what they want apparently.

 

[9mmfan]

20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza | The Times of Israel

A certain INGO member will think these were planted by Israeli commandos.
No, not meant to be purple.