Arizona Governor vetoes discrimination bill

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The thing they all have in common is that people are born that way, they don't choose to be female, black, disabled, or gay.

Wow. There are many other people out there that were born with many other proclivities or affinities or "appetites". They should be free to pursue their happiness too, unfettered by laws standing between them and their happiness.

 

[Trooper]

Wow. There are many other people out there that were born with many other proclivities or affinities or "appetites". They should be free to pursue their happiness too, unfettered by laws standing between them and their happiness.

Some of us like killing people. It is our "creative side". Shouldn't we have activists out there demanding our rights?

And which group has higher victim status: Muslims or gays? After all it your status as a victim that gives you more rights.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Some of us like killing people. It is our "creative side". Shouldn't we have activists out there demanding our rights?

And which group has higher victim status: Muslims or gays? After all it your status as a victim that gives you more rights.

There's a thread for that.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ists-have-met-their-match-muslim-barbers.html

 

[swany11]

On fact about the Colorado bakery incident that people don't realize is that the business owner had done business with the couple numerous times in the past. It only became an issue when she refused to make them a gay wedding cake.

 

[Trooper]

On fact about the Colorado bakery incident that people don't realize is that the business owner had done business with the couple numerous times in the past. It only became an issue when she refused to make them a gay wedding cake.

Now, what if the couple had asked to make a cake that was sexually suggestive? Like a phallus or a sex scene? Even if you have done business with them before, could you push it too far?

What are the limits to activism? At what point do you stop being a victim and become an oppressor?

 

[caverjamie]

So what if the couple wants a cake shaped a phallus? Or one of those cakes made from picture where the picture is of the couple having sex?

Does a gay couple have the right to force a Christian photographer to film a porno session?

That's a bit of an extreme example, but sort of where I was going with my comment. If you can be sued for refusing to make someone a cake if you own a bakery, then surely you can be sued for making them a bad cake, or a poorly formed cake, because you were obviously discriminating against that customer. This road sucks to go down. I believe that private businesses should be treated as any private property. Let the homosexual couple that was turned away go to the media, and let customers vote with their money.

 

[Bunnykid68]

That's a bit of an extreme example, but sort of where I was going with my comment. If you can be sued for refusing to make someone a cake if you own a bakery, then surely you can be sued for making them a bad cake, or a poorly formed cake, because you were obviously discriminating against that customer. This road sucks to go down. I believe that private businesses should be treated treated as any private property. Let the homosexual couple that was turned away go to the media, and let customers vote with their money.

Not extreme at all. Sister inlaw got my brother a a boob cake for his 40th bday, I bet they didnt ge that made at Walmart because Walmart wouldnt make that cake

 

[jamil]

Now, what if the couple had asked to make a cake that was sexually suggestive? Like a phallus or a sex scene? Even if you have done business with them before, could you push it too far?

What are the limits to activism? At what point do you stop being a victim and become an oppressor?

That was asked and answered before. Almost. If the bakery wouldn't do "sex cakes" for straight coulples there should be no expectation for gay sex cakes.

However, that's only the theoretical answer. In reality, an activist judge would rule in favor of the gay couple. The media would spin the story as gay discrimination. They'd leave out the inconvenient details. And the NFL would threaten to disallow the bakery from ever making football themed cakes.

it's just the world we live in now.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Remember that religion is also a protected class.

Except if you are Christian. Or are we just not AS protected as the other classes? What is the old quote? "All animals are created equal. Just some are more equal than others."?

 

[88GT]

I get what you are saying, and as I said in my post, I prefer to give my money to businesses that believe in equality for all. I would choose the butcher, the baker, and candlestick maker that welcomes my business. But, hypothetically, say we are visiting Arizona and stop in the local mom n pop store to get some snacks. First, because we don't always leave the house with our "I'm with my lesbian lover---->" shirts on, how would they even know to not sell to us? Are business going to be allowed to put up signs stating "Straight Only?" What if we're in the middle of BFE and need to use the restroom..."I'm sorry, but my religious beliefs prevent you from using the loo." Silly examples, perhaps, but not that far of a stretch. What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? I guess it only suits some when they feel like it.

You are free to pursue your happiness as you want. You don't get to coerce others to make it happen for you.

Equality doesn't come at someone else's expense. Lots of people using that word incorrectly in this thread. You don't get to demand equality of outcome achieved at the point of a gun.

A private property that offers goods and services. I'm not talking about walking up to Granny Smith's front porch and demanding some sweet tea. I'm talking about going into a business.

I actually agreed with another poster who said that if a business wants to discriminate they need to post it for all to see, on their walls and their website.

I run my business, both of them actually, out of my home. How do you solve that?

If have to post my "who I will discriminate against" sign, you have to wear your "I am......arm band."

Believe it or not, I truly get what you are saying. If I owned a business, I would want the right to refuse service to someone, not because they are straight, gay, black, white, etc, but mainly due to the fact they are a douchebag. Ayway, I just think that if they want to pass a law to support that, why not just pass a bill that allows people to reserve the right to refuse service, without specifically singling out anyone? I think it would have more merit. Just my .

Funny enough, that's what it does.

Ok, I want to reiterate that i don't believe that private business owners should be compelled to provide service to anyone for any reason. However, since we do have gov't protected classes, yes the Muslim barber should have to provide service to the lesbian.

I get it. Since the government has imposed a small level of tyranny, in order to create that elusive equality the whiners are complaining for, let's just impose a greater level of tyranny. That way everyone will be equal: We will all be equally ****ed.

It's not about being a victim. It's about equal protection under the law. Muslims are free to believe whatever they want, but under our current laws, business owners can't discriminate based on race, gender, and several other criteria. If we are going to protect those classes then sexual orientation should be protected as well.

It goes beyond a set of beliefs. It's about being free to act on those beliefs. Congress has no authority to restrict the exercise of those beliefs.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

On fact about the Colorado bakery incident that people don't realize is that the business owner had done business with the couple numerous times in the past. It only became an issue when she refused to make them a gay wedding cake.

Yep the bakery had, and it told them they would be glad to provide any other cake they wanted. Or any other item they made. Except a wedding cake for a gay marriage.

To stick to the cake theme. A couple wants a birthday cake with happy birthday Hitler on it. Hitler is their child's name. The bakery refuses. Think the bakery will win that case? I'll give you a hint. They did.

 

[gstanley102]

Remember that religion is also a protected class.

True today, but, our leftists are working to change that to "some religions".
Hence the demonstrations and hullabaloo in AZ this week.

 

[gstanley102]

I remember a time when the gays werent all in your face about it... can we go back to that time?

Not until they are an officially protected class.

 

[stryguy]

This law is based on religious freedom? Christianity has always taught me that it's my christian duty to love and serve everyone. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I have a hard time believing that Jesus would be like "I'm not being a carpenter for him, he's gay!"

I'm not saying I don't support businesses having the right to chose who and who they don't serve. I'm just saying that falsely using religion to push your agenda is wrong and a bit disgusting.

 

[Trooper]

True today, but, our leftists are working to change that to "some religions".
Hence the demonstrations and hullabaloo in AZ this week.

Some high school kid will figure out that being a Muslim is a great way to get parents, teachers and others upset. That as a Muslim you can pick of homosexuals, harass girls and generally be a jerk.

Not saying that Muslims are this way but that is how the left treats them. And in a public school setting with no Muslim population a kid would be able to dictate what he believes because everyone is basically clueless about Islam.

 

[88GT]

This law is based on religious freedom? Christianity has always taught me that it's my christian duty to love and serve everyone. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I have a hard time believing that Jesus would be like "I'm not being a carpenter for him, he's gay!"

I'm not saying I don't support businesses having the right to chose who and who they don't serve. I'm just saying that falsely using religion to push your agenda is wrong and a bit disgusting.

Are you saying Jesus would have built the wedding arbor or marriage bed for them then? I suppose you don't remember the upending of the money changing tables?

I think you're confusing the act of refusal with discrimination (seems to be a common thing here). The bakery wasn't refusing service because the couple was gay. They were refusing to bake a cake memorializing an event that they saw as a sin. If you owned a business and a pro-abortion group wanted to raise funds by asking you to donate to their cause, would you do so?

 

[88GT]

Some high school kid will figure out that being a Muslim is a great way to get parents, teachers and others upset. That as a Muslim you can pick of homosexuals, harass girls and generally be a jerk.

Not saying that Muslims are this way but that is how the left treats them. And in a public school setting with no Muslim population a kid would be able to dictate what he believes because everyone is basically clueless about Islam.

Even better? You get to fly without being raped.

 

[Trooper]

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I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the phrase, " We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason."

 

[stryguy]

Are you saying Jesus would have built the wedding arbor or marriage bed for them then? I suppose you don't remember the upending of the money changing tables?

I think you're confusing the act of refusal with discrimination (seems to be a common thing here). The bakery wasn't refusing service because the couple was gay. They were refusing to bake a cake memorializing an event that they saw as a sin. If you owned a business and a pro-abortion group wanted to raise funds by asking you to donate to their cause, would you do so?

Jesus befriended and washed the feet of a prostitute. This act of respect could easily be seen by many as condoning her lifestyle but in reality he was trying to help her foster her relationship with God. This same man wouldn't make a wedding arbor for a gay marriage? Absolutely he would! He would use that opportunity to engage the person and help them see that God is all forgiving and loving? In many cases Jesus performed acts that might have seen as him condoning the sin of the sinner. In every case he used that opportunity to show God's forgiveness.

Now, let me clarify. It's my belief that if you want to be a Christian you should serve as Jesus did. To the best of your ability. But it's not the government's job to force us to.

 

[Bunnykid68]

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