ARMSLIST CONTROVERSY

[stocks52]

Armslist business model justified by federal judges ? twice (VIDEO)

For anyone using Armslist, like me.

 

[SSGSAD]

Armslist business model justified by federal judges ? twice (VIDEO)

For anyone using Armslist, like me.

Ok, so tell US, are you buying from individuals, and does it go thru an ffl ?????

 

[stocks52]

Nope, I am selling.

 

[Peter Potamus]

The only thing Gibbon has to fear is the huge cost of defending himself in countless, frivolous lawsuits. They can't get him on a violation of any laws but they can force Armslist off the Net in other ways.

 

[stocks52]

I require that a buyer be a resident of Indiana and have a carry license. I am selling pistols...or trying to at least.

 

[Peter Potamus]

I require that a buyer be a resident of Indiana and have a carry license......

Why a carry license? What if they have no intention of carrying the gun? The law requires that your buyer be an Indiana resident. It is silent on them having a license to carry.

 

[stocks52]

I am selling a Taurus 709 Slim and a holster...it's a carry weapon. I just feel better about the deal if they have a carry license. I have turned down many offers without a carry license.

 

[AngryRooster]

Why a carry license? What if they have no intention of carrying the gun? The law requires that your buyer be an Indiana resident. It is silent on them having a license to carry.

If the OP is not a dealer then he has no way of conducting a check. The LTCH requirement offers some comfort that the person isn't restricted. It's a common request. Some of us insist on a bill of sale as well.

 

[chipbennett]

Why a carry license? What if they have no intention of carrying the gun? The law requires that your buyer be an Indiana resident. It is silent on them having a license to carry.

The requirement acts as an implicit background check. Not necessary, but certainly nice indemnification of liability to have in one's back pocket, should the need arise.

 

[Maximinus Thrax]

The requirement acts as an implicit background check. Not necessary, but certainly nice indemnification of liability to have in one's back pocket, should the need arise.

I use it in much the same way. Although, I will also accept a Common Access Card signifying current military service.

 

[JettaKnight]

Must...not...get...sucked...in...

 

[wizardfitz]

If I sell or buy a gun on armslist or ingo. I request to see a driver license, ltch and a signed bos. I no on any of those I pass. To me that is due diligence

 

[Birds Away]

A person who is selling an item may require whatever he wants. If you don't want to comply then you don't get the item. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[rob63]

A person who is selling an item may require whatever he wants. If you don't want to comply then you don't get the item. Seems pretty simple to me.

I also require people to wear pants, it weeds out the LT6 members.

 

[Bapak2ja]

If the OP is not a dealer then he has no way of conducting a check. The LTCH requirement offers some comfort that the person isn't restricted. It's a common request. Some of us insist on a bill of sale as well.

What he said.

 

[Birds Away]

I also require people to wear pants, it weeds out the LT6 members.

That's probably a wise move.

 

[LarryC]

Well, I would not purchase a firearm from anyone that requires that I show my LTCH. I personally feel that the BATF has enough rules / laws in place that I certainly don't need to add more. Yeah, I have a lifetime LTCH AND an FFL-03 (Curio and Relic collector). I have several friends and family members that don't have or want to carry a handgun, but do keep one in their home for protection. Should they be eliminated from the list of persons you would sell to because they don't have a license to carry? Both my sisters have handguns in their home - both in their 80's.

Federal law just states that a seller must not sell to someone they know or have a reasonable reason to believe that the person is not legal to possess a firearm. They do require that the person reside in the same state and be of age 18. (FFL dealer 21 for handgun). If you abide by the law (which I do) you have ZERO liability after the sale. So if a person shows you a Indiana DL that proves residence and age, and if I don't have any reason to believe they are not legal to possess a firearm, I will sell to them (if I ever sell a firearm). If someone demands more from me when buying, I will put my cash back in my pocket and buy elsewhere. I staunchly support the right to own and possess firearms for legal persons. I will not make it more difficult then it already is for many people!

 

[Peter Potamus]

Well, I would not purchase a firearm from anyone that requires that I show my LTCH. I personally feel that the BATF has enough rules / laws in place that I certainly don't need to add more. Yeah, I have a lifetime LTCH AND an FFL-03 (Curio and Relic collector). I have several friends and family members that don't have or want to carry a handgun, but do keep one in their home for protection. Should they be eliminated from the list of persons you would sell to because they don't have a license to carry? Both my sisters have handguns in their home - both in their 80's.

Federal law just states that a seller must not sell to someone they know or have a reasonable reason to believe that the person is not legal to possess a firearm. They do require that the person reside in the same state and be of age 18. (FFL dealer 19 for handgun). If you abide by the law (which I do) you have ZERO liability after the sale. So if a person shows you a Indiana DL that proves residence and age, and if I don't have any reason to believe they are not legal to possess a firearm, I will sell to them (if I ever sell a firearm). If someone demands more from me when buying, I will put my cash back in my pocket and buy elsewhere. I staunchly support the right to own and possess firearms for legal persons. I will not make it more difficult then it already is for many people!

Excellent. I find that few have any real clue what the codified law is regarding FTF sales and their responsibility. You have stated it well in your post.

 

[SSGSAD]

I use it in much the same way. Although, I will also accept a Common Access Card signifying current military service.

I knew a recruiter in Seymour, that would take a Felon, to Ky., and have him enlist, and then transfer him, or her, to the INARNG....

I have been Ret., for almost 8 years, and this happened B4 that, but I wouldn't trust that .....

 

[seedubs1]

These two posts are spot on. I've walked away from deals where I arrived to buy something with cash in my hand solely out of principle. The last one I walked away from, the guy didn't preface his requirements before we met. I got there and he had a camera. He wanted pictures of me, my INDL, and my LTCH. Hell no. Just on principle. In addition, If you're an individual, I don't want you to have my information recorded. Who are you, to me, from joe bob the serial killer? I have no way of knowing, and I'm not letting you record a damn thing.

But as a seller, you can request whatever you want. I support that. But I'm also not going to do business with anyone that requires anything that I legally don't have to do and am not comfortable with.

A person who is selling an item may require whatever he wants. If you don't want to comply then you don't get the item. Seems pretty simple to me.

I completely agree with the post below. It's already an infringement on our constitutional rights the way things are. To require me to pay money to exercise a constitutional right is an atrocity in and of itself. As a seller, to go a step further and require more than is legally required, is to not be a supporter of the 2nd Amendment. And those people who do that, I do not wish to do business with. Even though I have a valid INDL and LTCH, I'll walk away from a deal just on principle.

Well, I would not purchase a firearm from anyone that requires that I show my LTCH. I personally feel that the BATF has enough rules / laws in place that I certainly don't need to add more. Yeah, I have a lifetime LTCH AND an FFL-03 (Curio and Relic collector). I have several friends and family members that don't have or want to carry a handgun, but do keep one in their home for protection. Should they be eliminated from the list of persons you would sell to because they don't have a license to carry? Both my sisters have handguns in their home - both in their 80's.

Federal law just states that a seller must not sell to someone they know or have a reasonable reason to believe that the person is not legal to possess a firearm. They do require that the person reside in the same state and be of age 18. (FFL dealer 19 for handgun). If you abide by the law (which I do) you have ZERO liability after the sale. So if a person shows you a Indiana DL that proves residence and age, and if I don't have any reason to believe they are not legal to possess a firearm, I will sell to them (if I ever sell a firearm). If someone demands more from me when buying, I will put my cash back in my pocket and buy elsewhere. I staunchly support the right to own and possess firearms for legal persons. I will not make it more difficult then it already is for many people!