Asked to Leave Logansport Mall for OCing Off Duty

[wetidlerjr]

Go back and read your original post.

I was then approached by some "half security", "half janitor guy".

In her very broken half English, half Spanish voice.

You were informed of their policy and were asked to leave.

And that means exactly what? He never took any position in his post as being better or requesting better treatment because he was a LEO.
You seem to be the one that needs to re-read things.

 

[slategrey]

Simon malls are posted but you have to read a whole page to find it at the bottom they do not use the no gun posting on entrance door like most do

 

[Cemetery-man]

As LE, you should have known firearms weren't allowed there. Just about anyone that visits this site knows mall rules especially if they've been here since 2008. How can you enforce laws if you don't know them yourself? And did you expect preferential treatment simply because you were LE which is why you are so upset when it didn't happen? Reminds me of LEO's that speed through busy traffic and drive with excessive speed simply because they can.

 

[Cemetery-man]

And that means exactly what? He never took any position in his post as being better or requesting better treatment because he was a LEO.
You seem to be the one that needs to re-read things.

I was being asked to leave, (I just came from a few hours of range time with some of my Logansport PD friends of mine) I then identified myself as a police officer (Yes I showed Badge and ID)

He must have expected it since he is so upset for not getting it!

 

[Expat]

As LE, you should have known firearms weren't allowed there. Just about anyone that visits this site knows mall rules especially if they've been here since 2008. How can you enforce laws if you don't know them yourself? And then to expect preferential treatment simply because you were LE and get upset when it didn't happen. Reminds me of LEO's that speed through busy traffic and drive with excessive speed simply because they can.

As a LEO why should he know the rules for a business in another town? Mall rules aren't laws. How did he expect preferential treatment? He was told the rule didn't apply to LEOs, so he identified himself as one. Then they revised what their stated position was. He expressed his disappointment and left.

I don't understand the delight I am reading. We need to encourage businesses to change their anti-gun policies, not take such pleasure that "the man" got the shaft this time.

 

[10mm Snack Pack]

Wow! I hate to hear that. Especially when a Leo's job is to serve and protect. Glad you stood up for Law abiding citizens. Now if we can get the criminals and thugs to stop carrying we will all be safe.

 

[cobber]

As a LEO why should he know the rules for a business in another town? Mall rules aren't laws. How did he expect preferential treatment? He was told the rule didn't apply to LEOs, so he identified himself as one. Then they revised what their stated position was. He expressed his disappointment and left.

I don't understand the delight I am reading. We need to encourage businesses to change their anti-gun policies, not take such pleasure that "the man" got the shaft this time.

Yes! Double plus-good!

 

[wetidlerjr]

He must have expected it since he is so upset for not getting it!

How you surmised that from what he said is beyond me. He simply assumed he was complying with mall rules. I see NOTHING in the OP that indicated he was expecting anything for being a LEO.

 

[reno]

i dont understand the attitude towards a LEO, who happens to have the same feelings and concerns about carrying a firearm as most of us. I do understand that some LEO today have different "feelings" about citizens who open carry or even conceal carry. But thank goodness for those who recognize the constitution exists for the citizens and then take a stand for those citizens.
I dont find fault with this officer, I dont compare this officer to others. I appreciate the position the officer took.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I was asked to leave the Logansport Mall the other day as I was walking out of Dunhams from buying a new eotech 512 and some ammo. I was then approached buy some "half security", "half janitor guy" with a dust mop who told me firearms was not allowed in the mall and I was being asked to leave, (I just came from a few hours of range time with some of my Logansport PD friends of mine) I then identified myself as a police officer (Yes I showed Badge and ID) and was told, "only if I am in full uniform" I could be in the mall with my side arm on.

I requested that this mall security person call the mall manager and have them meet me on the spot to discuss this issue. (Thinking this guys has to be just blowing me smoke) So the person in charge of the mall walks up and I explain the situation to her and asked if this is how the mall treats all guest who carry a firearm and to toss out the fact for the moment that I was a police officer. In her very broken half English, half Spanish voice, I was then told that the mall does not allow people to carry any firearms in the mall and only police officers on duty, but they would "let me slide this time"

I then said, "no need to let me slide for anything". I then opened my bag and explained to the mall manager that the 429.99$ sight and ammo was going right back to the store for a full refund and I would never be back. I then explained to the manager of Dunhams why I was returning the items and that I will NEVER be back in that mall again. I have sent a letter to Dunhams Corp and the Company that runs the mall.....

So, Boycott Logansport Mall at all cost.

Hmm... So its OK to keep your average lowly citizen from exercizing their rights but when it is keeping the Man down, THEN we need to boycott?

The "some animals are more equal than others" bit does not cut it with me.

+1 Logansport Mall.

 

[femurphy77]

Their rules. Just because you are LEO doesn't make you better than the regular Joe.

Bravo to the op for taking the stance he took and promptly returning said merchandise. From the post I got the impression he was not using his employment by a pd to circumvent the rules. Paul Blart said only cops, op said he was a cop, Paul insisted it didn't matter out of uniform, mall boss said she'd let it slide, op said no thanks I'll get a refund and shop elsewhere. Or am I missing something?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

As a LEO why should he know the rules for a business in another town? Mall rules aren't laws. How did he expect preferential treatment? He was told the rule didn't apply to LEOs, so he identified himself as one. Then they revised what their stated position was. He expressed his disappointment and left.

I don't understand the delight I am reading. We need to encourage businesses to change their anti-gun policies, not take such pleasure that "the man" got the shaft this time.

I'll admit there's a part of me that, when I read this story, was thinking it was good that a LEO thought he could get priviledges the rest of us mere mortals weren't allowed by simply flashing his badge was put in his place. But Expat is right. We need to encourage businesses to change their anti-gun policies for EVERY law abiding citizen...not just those in a uniform.

 

[INDSIM]

Were you open carrying?

 

[Thegeek]

So if they simply state their policy, but don't specifically say you need to leave, do you?

I always carry at Greenwood. I'd love for one of their security Joe's to say "you can't carry a firearm here". My reply would be "that's nice", and just keep on walking.

Until you hear the words "you need to leave" or "I'm going to have to ask you to leave", do you have to?

 

[Thegeek]

There's really only one way to get this "private property" BS rule thrown out....

Open a private property business as a polling place. Then put up a sign that says "no women, blacks, or those over the age of 60 or under 30 allowed". Stand out there and start asking people to leave. Once the s#!^ is stirred up enough, and they tell you the 15th, the 19th, and the 26th overrule your property rights, maybe they'll agree the 2nd overrules theirs.

 

[churchmouse]

Yes, it is a real deal, I went to the Dunhams in Kokomo and bought the eotech from them, I did have a 20% off coupon that was about to expire so I got a hell of a deal lol

I will always stand up for the rights for all of us to carry LEO or not.....

Good. Thank you.
This issue always brings a lot of emotion with it.

Stay safe,

-CM-

 

[Hotdoger]

Bravo to the op for taking the stance he took and promptly returning said merchandise. From the post I got the impression he was not using his employment by a pd to circumvent the rules. Paul Blart said only cops, op said he was a cop, Paul insisted it didn't matter out of uniform, mall boss said she'd let it slide, op said no thanks I'll get a refund and shop elsewhere. Or am I missing something?

+1

I don't get their beefs.

 

[jaybird_123]

Usually I`m against LEO, but if this is as stated by the OP, than bravo for the OP. But I have a question for the OP. You told us to boycott that Mall, but have you related this story to your fellow officers? How did they take it? Are they going to boycott them also? Just wondering.

 

[Slawburger]

Do they still test for Reading Comprehension in school?

Props to the OP for standing up for all gun owners.

 

[wtfd661]

So the person in charge of the mall walks up and I explain the situation to her and asked if this is how the mall treats all guest who carry a firearm and to toss out the fact for the moment that I was a police officer. In her very broken half English, half Spanish voice, I was then told that the mall does not allow people to carry any firearms in the mall and only police officers on duty, but they would "let me slide this time"

I then said, "no need to let me slide for anything".

Making this a little easier to read and comprehend for some members who have difficulty reading through their internet anti-LEO glasses.


Good for you OP for standing up for ALL law abiding handgun carriers