Asked to Leave Logansport Mall for OCing Off Duty

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

LockStocksAndBarrel,
Ok, I went and read your suggested post. With an open mind. What did I get from it? Well, the main thing I got from it was that OC/CC is an individual choice...
Comes down to how much attention/recognition you need.

Yep. My bad. I should have also suggested you comprehend it as well.

OCers are all attention whores. Now I get it. Thanks. No one has ever brought that up before.

Also, if you want to keep beating the super-dead OC/CC horse, that was the thread to do it in but I guess that's been explained before, too.

All the best to ya Scout6a.

Sorry for the derail cox7215 and the rest of you. It just gets tiring hearing the SOS brought into threads where it really isn't necessary.

I'll stop it now.

 

[ScouT6a]

For the record, let me say I am not a cop hater. I don't spend my days and nights driving around waiting to catch LEOs screwing up. I feel that we all need to act like law abiding citizens and give each other respect, look out for each other and do the right thing, even when no one is watching.
I also personally feel that if you make the choice to work a job that is paid by tax payers, either local, county, state or federal and that choice of job involves as much power as a LEO has than you also need to be held to a higher standard. If you feel different about this than you're either one of the "bad apple" LEOs out there or you and I are never going to see eye to eye on this anyway.

I Do Not think one right has more importance than another and I am not willing to compromise on that. I wore a United States Army uniform for 22 1/2 years because I feel so strongly about that.

I like a good debate and I am also thick skinned. I learned some things about a few of you through the thread. Very little of it was bad. What is the purpose of going through life if you can't learn something every day, right?

I certainly did not get any hurt feelings from this and I hope no one else did.

Carry on.

 

[Tactical Bacon]

Thank you and I will also not be shopping there!!

 

[hayseed]

I think you did the right thing I admire you for that.Was it posted anywhere in the mall or at the front door. If not They have no leverage ,If its not posted they can't enforce it,were you open carry ? I dont know I guess the times are changing in this country and not for the better I use to open carry all the time but it got to be such a burden with all the drama from people now I just carry concealed..

 

[rugertoter]

For the record, let me say I am not a cop hater. I don't spend my days and nights driving around waiting to catch LEOs screwing up. I feel that we all need to act like law abiding citizens and give each other respect, look out for each other and do the right thing, even when no one is watching.
I also personally feel that if you make the choice to work a job that is paid by tax payers, either local, county, state or federal and that choice of job involves as much power as a LEO has than you also need to be held to a higher standard. If you feel different about this than you're either one of the "bad apple" LEOs out there or you and I are never going to see eye to eye on this anyway.

I Do Not think one right has more importance than another and I am not willing to compromise on that. I wore a United States Army uniform for 22 1/2 years because I feel so strongly about that.

I like a good debate and I am also thick skinned. I learned some things about a few of you through the thread. Very little of it was bad. What is the purpose of going through life if you can't learn something every day, right?

I certainly did not get any hurt feelings from this and I hope no one else did.

Carry on.

Don't want to take sides in the debate, but I would like to know what you do to get all that rep with a small number of posts. I must be doing something wrong. Anyways, good luck with this debate...it will never end.

 

[mdm2272]

I am from Logansport and I know that if you purchase a firearm you have to go around back and pick it up as they will not allow you to carry it through the mall. I haven't seen any signs there that state that it is a gun free zone, I don't visit there often but i have CC in there a time or two.

 

[Imeagher]

Thanks for trying to stand up for the 2nd, and for your service as a cop

 

[level0]

I was asked to leave the Logansport Mall the other day as I was walking out of Dunhams from buying a new eotech 512 and some ammo. I was then approached buy some "half security", "half janitor guy" with a dust mop who told me firearms was not allowed in the mall and I was being asked to leave...So, Boycott Logansport Mall at all cost.

Thanks OP and supporting your position here 100%. I've never actually been to the Logansport Mall but for sure I won't be going in the future, either.

 

[LarryC]

You do, of course, realize that there are a lot of individuals who take training way above and beyond what officers receive right?

An officer should be better trained than the average untrained individual, however, that doesn't mean they are the best of the best.

At the end of the day an officer is just another person with training and while they're obviously required to have training, that doesn't mean those who are not officers haven't acquired training as well.

I have the greatest respect for LEO's - my FIL (now deceased), my Nephew is a Captain, and one of my best friends was a LEO as well as having several casual friends on the local force.

I also had a friend (now retired) that was the range officer and firearm instructor for the ISP. (He did tell me several humorous stories of officers carrying unloaded arms and similar issues.)

However, I want to state my opinion that MOST LEO's DO NOT HAVE more instruction and training on firearms than the average person here. That is simply not true. Most of the training that they receive is on law enforcement practices, while this does include firearms, it also includes many, many other issues, - hand to hand, driving, investigations, bookwork, etc. etc.

The time and work devoted to actual firearm use is mostly related to safety, the accuracy requirement is much like the military - minute of man. It is a misconception to think the average (yes there are some that are quite proficient with firearms) LEO is more proficient with his assigned weapon than the non-police here.

Many LEO's that I know have rarely or never drawn their firearm on duty, and some have fired one only at the range for qualification.

 

[Bear2517]

It has always been my understanding of the law that, Any private property that has a reasonable expectation of allowing the public to enter on to it, and even encourages it, can not legally restrict your right to cary legally. There are of course some exceptions such as Airports/Airplanes, Casinos, Courts, schools, etc.

Now with that said, I also understand that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone...... well, maybe not.

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However, with that said, shouldn't it be up to the individual stores discretion, and not the mall management?

Just saying.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

It has always been my understanding of the law that, Any private property that has a reasonable expectation of allowing the public to enter on to it, and even encourages it, can not legally restrict your right to cary legally. There are of course some exceptions such as Airports/Airplanes, Casinos, Courts, schools, etc.

Now with that said, I also understand that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone...... well, maybe not.

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However, with that said, shouldn't it be up to the individual stores discretion, and not the mall management?

Just saying.

The 2A does not "count" as a protected right. Think about that, being morbidly obese and a homosexual are but your right to defend yourself with a firearm isn't.

Great how it turns out when people start believing the lie that this country is a democracy isn't it?

 

[Psode27]

Thanks for standing up for the OC (and CCers) people! It is nice to hear when people are vocal. I work in Logan, that mall is a crap-hole.

 

[Acton2375]

WHY?

My only question is why would you open carry? As a LEO you should know that bringing that attention to you as having a weapon on you makes you a target. Concealed carry is the way to go. Just my opinion,

 

[actaeon277]

My only question is why would you open carry? As a LEO you should know that bringing that attention to you as having a weapon on you makes you a target. Concealed carry is the way to go. Just my opinion,

Maybe you should look at this thread.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...lf_defense/71996-the_open_carry_argument.html

And it really doesn't attract much attention.

 

[sig1473]

My only question is why would you open carry? As a LEO you should know that bringing that attention to you as having a weapon on you makes you a target. Concealed carry is the way to go. Just my opinion,

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

My only question is why would you open carry? As a LEO you should know that bringing that attention to you as having a weapon on you makes you a target. Concealed carry is the way to go. Just my opinion,

Excellent 1st post!

Now follow actaeon277's advice and report back your findings. We'll wait right here.

 

[Acton2375]

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So stated as my opinion, and your retort is based on an essay that does not show any valued facts to support the argument one way or the other, you so arrogantly claim your opinion is correct. I will stick with my first and personal view that carry concealed is the better way to go.

 

[mcolford]

I am from Logansport and I know that if you purchase a firearm you have to go around back and pick it up as they will not allow you to carry it through the mall. I haven't seen any signs there that state that it is a gun free zone, I don't visit there often but i have CC in there a time or two.

All entrances on the south side (front) of the mall itself are posted no firearms. Not on the direct store entrances (into Penneys and Sears) but to the "Mall."

 

[actaeon277]

So stated as my opinion, and your retort is based on an essay that does not show any valued facts to support the argument one way or the other, you so arrogantly claim your opinion is correct. I will stick with my first and personal view that carry concealed is the better way to go.

And where are your facts?
CC or OC, most of us don't care. Some of us even JFC.
If you are looking for facts and statistics, there doesn't seem to be any that prove one or the other better.

And CC is not Invisible Carry. So CCers can get asked to leave also. They may get away with it more, but you should be ready, just in case.

 

[churchmouse]

Excellent 1st post!

Now follow actaeon277's advice and report back your findings. We'll wait right here.

You are so patient with the newbies. Good job.