ATF 41F was published today

[Beowulf]

Looks like the clock has started ticking. The new rules will go into effect on July 13, 2016. So, if you want to get stuff in, get going.

ATF 41F Was Published Today

 

[SteveM4A1]

Looks like the clock has started ticking. The new rules will go into effect on July 13, 2015. So, if you want to get stuff in, get going.

ATF 41F Was Published Today

2016....

 

[Beowulf]

2016....

Oops. Fixed.

 

[jonny4523]

Gosh dang it. Complete bull crap.

 

[Yamadog35]

Hmmm . . . I've got two cans in jail now, but I still need a 30 cal . . . dang it, guess I can't wait.

 

[Psode27]

I can't put in to words how pissed I am about this whole thing. Finally when it looks like I might do some more NFA things in the future this crap has to happen.
Anyone ever thought about making a "post 41F" trust? I kinda have....

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

I don't have anything NFA, and likely won't for years if at all, but I try to retain information on the subject.

So pardon my ignorance but can someone please explain to me why this is bad? I've read summaries of the rule, but it's just not clicking.

 

[stephen87]

Creates a local registry of all NFA items, submitted after 7/16, by eliminating a CLEO signature but creating a CLEO notification system. Also, infringes more of trusts. Now everyone on a trust has to be fingerprinted (every two years) and photographed (every year). Not a big deal to some. Big deal to me as I have four people on my trust who are legally able to have my NFA items. I, for one, will be writing later today to, hopefully, have this challenged.

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

Creates a local registry of all NFA items, submitted after 7/16, by eliminating a CLEO signature but creating a CLEO notification system. Also, infringes more of trusts. Now everyone on a trust has to be fingerprinted (every two years) and photographed (every year). Not a big deal to some. Big deal to me as I have four people on my trust who are legally able to have my NFA items. I, for one, will be writing later today to, hopefully, have this challenged.

Ahh the local registry didn't click with me. Makes sense. I figured one of the issues was the fingerprints and photos, but when I saw that you no longer need CLEO approval I figured it was a good thing.

Thanks

 

[Que]

Creates a local registry of all NFA items, submitted after 7/16, by eliminating a CLEO signature but creating a CLEO notification system. Also, infringes more of trusts. Now everyone on a trust has to be fingerprinted (every two years) and photographed (every year). Not a big deal to some. Big deal to me as I have four people on my trust who are legally able to have my NFA items. I, for one, will be writing later today to, hopefully, have this challenged.

It's my understanding that fingerprints are to be renewed every two years if a new purchase is made after the original documentation has expired. Also, I think the photograph submitted cannot be older than one year, but a new photograph doesn't have to be submitted every year. I think we are saying the same thing, but I want to be corrected or not cause confusion having people think the renewal is a requirement for NFA items already purchased under the new standard. Am I wrong?

 

[stephen87]

It's my understanding that fingerprints are to be renewed every two years if a new purchase is made after the original documentation has expired. Also, I think the photograph submitted cannot be older than one year, but a new photograph doesn't have to be submitted every year. I think we are saying the same thing, but I want to be corrected or not cause confusion having people think the renewal is a requirement for NFA items already purchased under the new standard. Am I wrong?

Correct. Sorry for the confusion, I was posting at work from my phone. Fingerprints have to updated every two years when purchasing a new NFA item. Photos cannot be older than one year old. One thing I did see is the photo and prints will be kept on file, so you'll only have to send them in after the expiration, which means you'll now have to keep track of WHEN you sent in your last picture and print set.

 

[INPatriot]

So any NFA trust set up before July 2016 will be grandfathered in under the current status of NFA trusts?

 

[jonny4523]

So any NFA trust set up before July 2016 will be grandfathered in under the current status of NFA trusts?

No. The trust must be set up and the form 4 has to be pending before that date. So if you buy online, they first submit a form 3 to transfer to a local dealer and then the form 4 to transfer to you. So realistically, if you want to buy a suppressor under the name of the trust, you really need to purchase the suppressor two months before the July date. So purchased by the beginning of May 2016.

 

[BravoMike]

What happens when one currently has a NFA Gun Trust and NFA items, do they need to get fingerprints submitted since they must be renewed every two years?

 

[stephen87]

What happens when one currently has a NFA Gun Trust and NFA items, do they need to get fsiingerprints submitted since they must be renewed every two years?

No. The current NFA items are already approved. The photo and fingerprints have to be updated only when buying.

Ftr: IANAL these are my understandings of what I have read.

 

[NyleRN]

Fingerprinted every two years? I'm pretty sure your prints never change

 

[Amishman44]

I don't have anything NFA...

Ditto...no NFA stuff here!

Like most new laws...it'll probably take a lawsuit or two to interpret + define the designations, limitations, responsibilities, and parameters of it all established within it's community.

 

[Gluemanz28]

Is starting up a trust now a good idea with the changes coming in July?

 

[stephen87]

Ditto...no NFA stuff here!

Like most new laws...it'll probably take a lawsuit or two to interpret + define the designations, limitations, responsibilities, and parameters of it all established within it's community.

If I had the money, I would be more than happy to challenge this new rule. Why is a non-legislative entity able to create laws?

 

[INPatriot]

Please forgive my ignorance. With a very young and growing family, NFA items have not been prioritized spending but now that the clock is ticking so to say I want to make sure I have my timelines straight.

1) Buy NFA item, in this case a suppressor, and keep it in jail...probably a dealer
2) File NFA trust
3) Submit necessary NFA forms

If this is wrong please let me know the right sequence

Thanks