ATF and stabilizing braces

[Trigger Time]

You're looking for a sucker to test this theory out, aren't you?

Kut (says "not it")

lol no. They released an opinion letter on reclassifying a pistol if shoulder fired with a brace on it. A "firearm" Legaly defined is neither a pistol nor a rifle. So shouldering it with a brace attached shouldn't be included in the opinion letter they issued. I'm really wanting to hear one of the lawyers familiar with firearms chime in an give their opinion on this. If it's a LEGAL loophole then it's not poking the bear, it's just plain legal. If I'm reading something wrong and it's not legal then I want to know. I don't plan on being a test case not am I asking anyone else to be.

 

[seedubs1]

I'm assuming that they'd say that if it was designed/intended to be shoulder fired, that would be considered a stock, and hence a rifle, not a "firearm" (outside the definition of a rifle or handgun).

Anyway, all of this is dumb as **** and needs to be abolished. There's no ****ing functional difference between a sig brace and normal stock other than some lawyer bull ****.

lol no. They released an opinion letter on reclassifying a pistol if shoulder fired with a brace on it. A "firearm" Legaly defined is neither a pistol nor a rifle. So shouldering it with a brace attached shouldn't be included in the opinion letter they issued. I'm really wanting to hear one of the lawyers familiar with firearms chime in an give their opinion on this. If it's a LEGAL loophole then it's not poking the bear, it's just plain legal. If I'm reading something wrong and it's not legal then I want to know. I don't plan on being a test case not am I asking anyone else to be.

 

[bwframe]

Thought I'd dredge up this old topic with a question to possible changes with the new Trump administration? Maybe we just abolish the BATF?

 

[thomasred5]

I took mine off when I saw that letter. All it takes is one overzealous cop to make an acquisition. Still don't understand how un-elected individuals put laws in place.

Looks like the ATF finally lowered the boom on the Sig braces. For your enjoyment:

ATF Firearms: Open Letter on the Redesign of "Stabilizing Braces"

 

[seedubs1]

There's your problem. Unelected officials being able to draft, implement, and enforce laws with no checks and balances. What a pile of

Hope Trump cleans house and gets rid of this BS immediately.

Still don't understand how un-elected individuals put laws in place.

 

[rvb]

Thought I'd dredge up this old topic with a question to possible changes with the new Trump administration? Maybe we just abolish the BATF?

Or at least put it back under Treasury where it belongs and get it out from under the DoJ...

 

[dudley0]

I never bought one. For a little more money I was able to make an SBR.

My only problem now is if I decide to hunt deer with my 300 blk. I will need to put it on a pistol lower and maybe something to stabilize the pistol would be handy to have... but I don't see me going that way.

 

[thomasred5]

I thought about it, I don't know how long I will live in IN though. Once I get permanently settled, I will definitely be going that route.

I never bought one. For a little more money I was able to make an SBR.

My only problem now is if I decide to hunt deer with my 300 blk. I will need to put it on a pistol lower and maybe something to stabilize the pistol would be handy to have... but I don't see me going that way.

 

[thomasred5]

I wish, I don't know that the cleansing of BATFE (although needed) is high on his give a care list. What I'm wondering is if ol' Feinstein decides to pack it in and retire. She ought to realize by now that her life work to conquer guns is quickly fading along with her age. Four more years of beautiful R control, she'll be 87 then.. I normally don't wish people ill, but...

There's your problem. Unelected officials being able to draft, implement, and enforce laws with no checks and balances. What a pile of

Hope Trump cleans house and gets rid of this BS immediately.

 

[jd4320t]

I'm building two pistols with Shockwaves right now. I'm not worried one bit about it. These are guns I don't want SBR'd and didn't want 16" barrels on them. I'll be putting copies of the ATF letter in the grips just like I do with my SBR's.

 

[thomasred5]

That's not a bad idea. I wasn't trying to persuade you to be worried, I just don't care for risk personally.

I'm building two pistols with Shockwaves right now. I'm not worried one bit about it. These are guns I don't want SBR'd and didn't want 16" barrels on them. I'll be putting copies of the ATF letter in the grips just like I do with my SBR's.

 

[jd4320t]

That's not a bad idea. I wasn't trying to persuade you to be worried, I just don't care for risk personally.

I don't see what the risk is. AR pistols were around long before the SB came.

 

[thomasred5]

I know, it's an unwarranted worry of mine. As long as it is a legit pistol, there is no risk. I just ditched the brace and put it deep in my locker. I think I was talking more about the people who leave it on and use it as a cheek weld without actually pushing it up against their shoulder.

I don't see what the risk is. AR pistols were around long before the SB came.

 

[Excalibur]

Hard to prove intent. The laws didn't change. The ATF is just using the fear of the law to interpret it

 

[lstout]

Hopefully with all the republicans elected last week something might change.

 

[KG1]

I like someone else's suggestion in another thread that Trump should appoint Wayne LaPierre as head of the BATFE.

 

[IndyGlockMan]

I have a pistol with a KAK Shockwave blade and VG6 Epsilon brake and it's a piece of cake to shoot.
Just put the KAK up against your cheek (but not against your shoulder) and fire away.
Accurate, controllable, and pretty darn fun.

After the Hearing Protection Act is passed, maybe we will get SBR's off the NFA as well.
Would like to do both at the same time, but that might be asking a bit much...

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I have a pistol with a KAK Shockwave blade and VG6 Epsilon brake and it's a piece of cake to shoot.
Just put the KAK up against your cheek (but not against your shoulder) and fire away.
Accurate, controllable, and pretty darn fun.

After the Hearing Protection Act is passed, maybe we will get SBR's off the NFA as well.
Would like to do both at the same time, but that might be asking a bit much...

We should ask for more than we will likely get. SBRs, you'd think, aren't much more scary than regular "assault rifles" I wouldn't think it'd be that big a stretch to get that too.

 

[Rookie]

Here's what I've learned with my SBR, it's really not fun to shoot unless it's suppressed. Then it ends up being as long as a non SBR, so they should remove them from NFA.