Bill Kristol on Semi-automatics

[Expat]

I saw the show. He would allow us to have handguns for self protection and hunting guns. It was sort of strange that Evan Bayh was the more restrained voice in the group.

 

[CarmelHP]

Oh. "Real" conservatives have to fit a mold? Sorry. Can't buy that when reality says otherwise.

When you wish a convenient whipping boy, you characterize all Republicans and Conservatives by the actions of some or even one, not the majority.

 

[mrjarrell]

Including those enamored of government imposed and mandated health care programs enabled by business destroying taxes.

Are you talking about Romneycare again? And the republican backed health care exchanges? Can't say that libertarians are enamoured of socialism. We leave that to the republicrats and their dem buddies.

 

[CarmelHP]

Are you talking about Romneycare again? And the republican backed health care exchanges? Can't say that libertarians are enamoured of socialism. We leave that to the republicrats and their dem buddies.

There you go again. You must not be a real libertarian.

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

 

[Ted]

Are you talking about Romneycare again? And the republican backed health care exchanges? Can't say that libertarians are enamoured of socialism. We leave that to the republicrats and their dem buddies.

I'm not a supporter of Romneycare, but such matters are in fact, arguably more the domain of the states than the federal government.

The whole 10A thing....ya know?

 

[rambone]

I was listening to a program called "Red Eye Radio" last night. The host is a conservative and said he "would defend the right to private gun ownership until the day he dies." They were, of course, discussing the push for gun control after the CO shooting.

No more than 5 minutes later, he was agreeing with a caller that it "doesn't make sense" that there is no Federal tracking of large ammunition sales. After all, they track purchases of cold medicine, and they track large transfers of your own money, so why not? Surely a red flag should go off at FBI headquarters if you buy 1000 rds of ammo.

With friends like these, we are f***ed.

 

[level.eleven]

I was listening to a program called "Red Eye Radio" last night. The host is a conservative and said he "would defend the right to private gun ownership until the day he dies." They were, of course, discussing the push for gun control after the CO shooting.

No more than 5 minutes later, he was agreeing with a caller that it "doesn't make sense" that there is no Federal tracking of large ammunition sales. After all, they track purchases of cold medicine, and they track large transfers of your own money, so why not? Surely a red flag should go off at FBI headquarters if you buy 1000 rds of ammo.

With friends like these, we are f***ed.

I've heard the same thing on Fox News all day today. It seems as if the conservative compromise is going to be some sort of tracking that alerts to large purchases of ammo or consecutive purchases of firearms in a given time frame. The mental health issue is being worked as well.

Regarding the above conversation, when everyone becomes a RINO, it is no longer in name only, rather it becomes fact.

 

[Expat]

As long as they use my definition of large purchase...

 

[Classic Liberal]

He was on Fox news yesterday. Said he doesn't think we should own semi-autos. I almost fell out of my chair. Thought this guy was a conservative. He lost me on this.

He is just following what Romney said a few years back...

Romney signed a law to permanently ban many semi-automatic firearms. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said in 2004. “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

http://gunowners.org/mittromney-2012.htm

 

[ocsdor]

 

[Kirk Freeman]

No more than 5 minutes later, he was agreeing with a caller that it "doesn't make sense" that there is no Federal tracking of large ammunition sales. After all, they track purchases of cold medicine, and they track large transfers of your own money, so why not? Surely a red flag should go off at FBI headquarters if you buy 1000 rds of ammo.

Yes, I understand this is an attempt to "sound reasonable" but it is senseless.

So a 3310 is sent in when you buy more than 1K rounds and then what?

The FBI tools on by for coffee and Fig Newtons? Just what do these people want to happen? Time travel? Use of mystics?

If only Officer Chompy could smell crazy! Perhaps they will evolve this ability before the next deposition.

 

[manwithnoname]

He is just following what Romney said a few years back...

Romney signed a law to permanently ban many semi-automatic firearms. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said in 2004. “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

Gun Rights and Mitt Romney - Gun Owners Of America

Well said, Classic Liberal.

Still, many have deluded themselves into thinking these two clowns are significantly different.

I have yet to see either of them stand in defense of individual liberty.

 

[aikidoka]

I need to get cracking. I've only got 700 rounds or so between the .45 and the AK. Apparently not enough to make a liberal piddle in their bloomers just by mentioning it.

 

[Lex Concord]

By definition, a real conservative would support 2A. Kristol really surprised me. I guess the guy is just a Washington elitist RINO.

By your definition.

He doesn't fit it...never has...he does, however, fit at least one of the MSM and general pop's definitions of "conservative".

88GT will probably chime in with "words mean things" (if she hasn't already...I haven't finished the thread), and they do.

The problem is, the definitions keep shifting as they are abstract concepts. There is no atomic definition of "conservative" or "liberal" sitting in a vault in some Nordic highland somewhere. Like it or not, words are fluid, depending upon their usage over time.

The trick is to understand the vein in which the word is being used and respond/educate accordingly.

 

[88GT]

Nope. Real libertarians exist across a spectrum and come in a number of varieties.

So do conservatives. So do liberals. You aren't making a very good case for yourself with this line of argument.

Do you deny that there are characteristics/platform of beliefs that define being libertarian?

By your definition.

He doesn't fit it...never has...he does, however, fit at least one of the MSM and general pop's definitions of "conservative".

88GT will probably chime in with "words mean things" (if she hasn't already...I haven't finished the thread), and they do.

The problem is, the definitions keep shifting as they are abstract concepts. There is no atomic definition of "conservative" or "liberal" sitting in a vault in some Nordic highland somewhere. Like it or not, words are fluid, depending upon their usage over time.

The trick is to understand the vein in which the word is being used and respond/educate accordingly.

You know me so well.

Who gets to define conservative though? The one who self-identifies as such or the one who likes to use it perjoratively? Fluidity is one thing. Malicious deliberate manipulation for the sake of

 

[Bond 281]

He's a northeastern Republican - almost by definition, those folks are semi-liberal Democrats. People immersed in the DC culture tend to forget the reason for the 2nd Amendment was to preserve citizens' right to hunt or participate in shooting sports, or even to defend themselves against criminals.

The reason for the 2A is so we can always overthrow our government.

 

[manwithnoname]

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Seems folks can never look beyond the left / right circle jerk.

Anybody need more bread?

The next act under the big tent is about to begin!

 

[Lex Concord]

Who gets to define conservative though? The one who self-identifies as such or the one who likes to use it perjoratively? Fluidity is one thing. Malicious deliberate manipulation for the sake of

That's the thing...both/many definitions exist simultaneously...no one person or entity has control...those with the communication capital have the upper hand.

The only way to improve the acceptance of any given definition is to convince more people it's the right one...unfortunately, the MSM typically wins by sheer brute force.

When individual differences arise, esp. in a forum like this, it is best to define terms.

I wish it was as clear cut as "brick" or "plate", but that is the problem with nailing down the abstract (and compound) as opposed to the concrete.

 

[Catsfan]

Disturbing is the fact that Kristol generalizes by saying "semi-automatic" weapons.... That's a VERY BROAD brush.... Guess all those 10/22's are evil, along with our 1911s, 9mm's, etc.