Blame Anyone But the Criminals

[DoggyDaddy]

We've probably all heard of the potential lawsuits against KIA and Hyundai because some of their models are easily stolen with a usb thumb drive (as I understand it). I just saw a piece on WTHR this evening that a Shell station at 34th and Emerson is now under scrutiny because there have been 4 homicides there in the last few months.

How are KIA and Hyundai responsible for the actions of car thieves? How is the owner of a gas station responsible for the scumbags that live in that area and are killing other people? It just seems that everyone wants to put responsibility for crime on anyone but the actual criminals themselves.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Maybe the Shell station owner should hire some roof Koreans to snipe the would-be robbers and murderers. That would be cool, right? Seriously, WTF?

 

[KellyinAvon]

We've probably all heard of the potential lawsuits against KIA and Hyundai because some of their models are easily stolen with a usb thumb drive (as I understand it). I just saw a piece on WTHR this evening that a Shell station at 34th and Emerson is now under scrutiny because there have been 4 homicides there in the last few months.

How are KIA and Hyundai responsible for the actions of car thieves? How is the owner of a gas station responsible for the scumbags that live in that area and are killing other people? It just seems that everyone wants to put responsibility for crime on anyone but the actual criminals themselves.

Obviously we need common sense Shell Station and USB thumb-drive control.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Maybe the Shell station owner should hire some roof Koreans to snipe the would-be robbers and murderers. That would be cool, right? Seriously, WTF?

Kia and Hyundai are Korean companies, rooftop Koreans, seems logical.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Kia and Hyundai are Korean companies, rooftop Koreans, seems logical.

Maybe KIA and Hyundai should start offering "trunk Koreans" (kind of like the Trunk Monkey) as an option on their theft-prone models.

 

[Twangbanger]

In before "why doesn't the Shell Station hire homicide-prevention associates..."

 

[DoggyDaddy]

In before "why doesn't the Shell Station hire homicide-prevention associates..."

 

[snapping turtle]

Kia and Hyundai were the cheaper option to Honda and Toyota. Buy less get less. Not much said of Hyundais that are brand new catching fire and "burning down the house" better park that 2023 Tucson outside. And the only 93k effected are the ones that shut off at at stop light and start again. (Cafe standards anyone)



The above only updated the software after the insurance companies raised the rates for all who purchased those models because they were easy to steal and smash up. When everyone traded them in for Hondas the updated the software.

The Shell station in the bad neighborhood is most likely not owned by a NATIVE American. So he set in that bullet resistant box selling CBD and smokes. He is making his. No need to hire security. 34 and Emerson ave is the issue not the shell station. If no one enters the store or buys gas then the store closes. Closing a business by the government is just plane wrong no matter what the data shows. Closing it by not making any money is capitalism.

Only why to solve the problems is to vote with your wallet. Something I always do. Want my cash, be someone I want to spend it with.

Walmart I bet I spent 30 dollars in the last two years. (Was convenient to purchase)
Amazon done with it.
Netflix done. Cable done.
Facebook never had one.
LinkedIn (you gave 844 million for jo(k)e Biden deleted.

I can go on. I think we have a thread with zombie companies I am over

 

[Leo]

It just seems that everyone wants to put responsibility for crime on anyone but the actual criminals themselves.

That my friend, is today's bottom line.

"when justice is delayed, the peoples heart grows sick".

There is an entire generation coming to voting age that have never seen justice, and were taught to run from responsibility. How CAN they make a righteous decision?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Kia and Hyundai were the cheaper option to Honda and Toyota.

Perhaps, but I've been very happy with my 2011 Hyundai Elantra Touring. Not a lick of trouble, no recalls, only regular maintenance done. Not sure Honda or Toyota can say that since 2011.

 

[Expat]

You have to keep in mind that the criminals are the actual victims in our current society.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

You have to keep in mind that the criminals are the actual victims in our current society.

Right? You evil gas station owner! Why did you open your business in a crime-ridden area? You should close! Then we can complain about a "gas desert" in the area.

 

[joe138]

It seems like all of the businesses are getting the firearms treatment now.

 

[bobzilla]

Perhaps, but I've been very happy with my 2011 Hyundai Elantra Touring. Not a lick of trouble, no recalls, only regular maintenance done. Not sure Honda or Toyota can say that since 2011.

I can assure you Honda and Toyota cannot. Been a Korean car owner since 2002. Put around 500k miles ourselves and the cars combined well past the million mile mark. The only engine failure was bought with a snapped timing belt at 212k to be a project, the only failed transmission happened after the wife ran a 13”wheel over a 12” curb avoiding a moron turning into Starbucks with no brake lights nor turn signals.

We have 2 new Kia’s in the garage. There is nothing in the market that provides the smiles per mile of the forte or the utility and economy of the wife’s Seltos nor the overall quality and features.

As for the thugs claiming victim… well they wont let us deal with it and they wont deal with it so I don’t think it’s getting any better

 

[Bugzilla]

Kia and Hyundai are Korean companies, rooftop Koreans, seems logical.

A self fulfilling prophecy or an ironic catch 22?!?

 

[actaeon277]

Because in 'their' world, there is no PERSONAL responsibility.
It is all the fault of the EVIL CORPORATIONS.
Yes. Even small businesses.

because they are ignorant (uninformed).
And not interested in actual digging in and investigating how things (or people) work.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How is the owner of a gas station responsible for the scumbags that live in that area and are killing other people?

What if the owner and/or employees are creating an environment that is conducive to illegal activities? Perhaps purposefully? Perhaps because they are buddies with some of the bad actors? Or enjoy a financial incentive to do so? What if the decent people in the neighborhood recognize this?

I'm not saying this is or isn't the case. I would remind you that not all information available in the world is available in a public format and that any conclusions are speculative at best without answers to those questions and others.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What if the owner and/or employees are creating an environment that is conducive to illegal activities? Perhaps purposefully? Perhaps because they are buddies with some of the bad actors? Or enjoy a financial incentive to do so? What if the decent people in the neighborhood recognize this?

I'm not saying this is or isn't the case. I would remind you that not all information available in the world is available in a public format and that any conclusions are speculative at best without answers to those questions and others.

The WTHR article is kind of vague, but it sounds like they want them to increase security and stop staying open 24 hours. I don't see any mention of the owners being specifically part of the problem. The city wants to sue them as a nuisance property.

Neighbors want more safety, accountability at 'nuisance' Indianapolis gas station

The Shell gas station at 34th Street and Emerson Avenue is arguably the deadliest address in Indianapolis.

www.wthr.com

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The WTHR article is kind of vague, but it sounds like they want them to increase security and stop staying open 24 hours. I don't see any mention of the owners being specifically part of the problem. The city wants to sue them as a nuisance property.

Neighbors want more safety, accountability at 'nuisance' Indianapolis gas station

The Shell gas station at 34th Street and Emerson Avenue is arguably the deadliest address in Indianapolis.

www.wthr.com

I mentioned this in another thread recently, but don't believe the media is telling the full story. Even if they have it. Public figures have fewer protections against slander/libel than private citizens do. The media may not have the full story. Involved people may hold cards close to their chest because they want to keep bridges of communication/relationships open hoping for cooperation on the other party's side, etc. Others who may have a fuller picture may not put the information in a public forum due to work rules, social expectations, etc. In a neighborhood where people are scared of retaliation, do you expect people to put their name to a complaint in the media? Gov't employees likely have rules against disclosure outside of professional requirements...

Nuisance property has certain requirements. An example that's unrelated is a hotel that had signs telling guests to not call the police, to only call the front desk. Why would such a sign exist?

I would also point out that the premise of who's accountable being binary is overly simplistic. The real world is messy enough that multiple people or entities can have some responsibility for any given act. You can hold the trigger puller accountable for his role in addition to those who facilitated the act.

 

[klausm]

I think the store owner should sue the city and demand a squad car be parked there 24/7
crap forgot the purple or maybe not