Bullets set too deep

[OWGEM]

Recently I purchased 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo from a national dealer. These were once reloads. Today I found 10 rounds from 2 different boxes that have the bullets set too deep into the casings. Some as much as 1/8 inch. The other rounds have the bullet expose 3/8 inch.

My questions are, is this a safety problem due to over pressure or some other issue? Also I have been having failure to feed and some stove pipes. I suspect the ammo now since I have never had these issues with the Glock 34.

Opinions?

 

[parson]

Deep seating will increase pressure. 9mm is a pretty small case. I would think that 1/8" would make quite a difference.

 

[Aszerigan]

Deep seating a bullet by 1/8" - 0.125" is significant. I wouldn't shoot those. There could be several things going on here.

First, perhaps there are different bullet types. Some 115gn 9mm bullets have longer noses than others. So it may appear that they are deep seated when they are not. You'd need to pull a round of the "short" ammo and compare it to a round of the "long" ammo.

Second, they could have been damaged in shipping. If someone crushed the box, they may have pushed some of the bullets in too deep. It's much like chambering a round a few times. It will change the OAL.

Stovepiping generally occurs when the charge is too low, not the pressure is too high. The extractor will catch the back end of the brass, but the slide isn't going completely out of battery, so the brass isn't ejected completely before the slide returns forward. That's a problem with the powder measurement.

FTF issues can be linked to the overall length, be it too short OR too long.

The honest answer is that I wouldn't shoot that ammo. If they are too deep, 0.125" can cause a significant pressure increase in 9mm casings. If the powder measurement is wrong, that can be unsafe in either direction. Best to just return it or contact the manufacturer.

Sad thing is though...unless its a small ammunition company, I wouldn't hold your breath for them to compensate you.

 

[OWGEM]

Thanks for the replies. Sorry to hear what Aszerigan says about compensation. I sent a email today with photo of the problem. We'll see what/if they reply.

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[Aszerigan]

Good luck - keep us posted.

 

[OWGEM]

I have contacted USA Ammo however so far no reply.
Here is an image of the problem. You can see rounds in the holder are problems as well.....

 

[U.S. Patriot]

I have contacted USA Ammo however so far no reply.
Here is an image of the problem. You can see rounds in the holder are problems as well.....

As other have said, I would definitely not shoot that ammo in risk of over pressure.

 

[drgnrobo]

I wouldnt shoot those,keep bugging the manufacturer & send that pic if you havent already

 

[Que]

That sucks! One-thousand rounds of that?! I hope they are willing to make it right. If not, just pull the bullets and reload them at the right OAL.

 

[sloughfoot]

It looks like they have no neck tension. A 9mm reload should have a "bottle" shape.

That is some sad looking crap.

Actually, with no neck tension and no taper crimp, I wouldn't worry too much about over pressure. I would worry more that the bullet will fall out of the case. I'll bet if you shake them, the bullet will move forward?

 

[Aszerigan]

Yeah, that's definitely no good. Good luck fighting 'the man.'

 

[Drail]

Every time someone posts a photo of some factory ammo they bought that was assembled by idiots I am so thankful I haven't had to buy any for 20 years now. C'mon people, loading ammo properly isn't that hard. Whoever is in control of quality control at that loading operation has no idea what he's doing. And we're starting to see this MUCH MORE than I've ever seen it in my life. Be careful guys, measure everything and don't assume anything. Rounds that like that loaded into a semi auto with less than complete case support (you know the one) and things can get really ugly really fast. 20 years ago almost all of the guys blowing up guns were the .38 Super/9x23 IPSC open gun freaks with handloads that were not found in any manual. Now you can do it with off the shelf ammo.

 

[billybob44]

DO NOT SHOOT!!!

Do not shoot those short loads--Those cases were not properly sized, and as been said, lack the proper case tension.
Those "short" loads will definitely be over pressured loads==MAY==blow a gun--Glock or NOT!!
I would ask the Mfg. of those loads if they would like your Attorney call them-BEFORE-or-AFTER you fired these loads==I am sure that you WILL get their attention then..Bill.

 

[HDSilvrStreak]

And we're starting to see this MUCH MORE than I've ever seen it in my life.

There are just more avenues for people to report it now with the internet, forums, message boards, etc. I doubt that the defect rate is increasing as much. It's just that you now hear about more instances due to ability to report it.

 

[OWGEM]

It looks like they have no neck tension. A 9mm reload should have a "bottle" shape.

That is some sad looking crap.

Actually, with no neck tension and no taper crimp, I wouldn't worry too much about over pressure. I would worry more that the bullet will fall out of the case. I'll bet if you shake them, the bullet will move forward?

I discovered them at the range. A fellow there had a caliper but could not remove the bullet.

 

[Cannon]

If the ammo looks that bad from the outside who knows if they even have the right charge in any of them. I would not shot ANY of that ammo.

 

[U.S. Patriot]

One more reason I'm glad I got into reloading.

 

[OWGEM]

After 3 days with no reply to my email I called USA Ammo today. They said they could not find any such email. However I was also told " We will get a remedy for this issue." Time will tell.

 

[louielouie]

Did you pay with a credit card? If you did you can work with them to get you a credit issued for faulty and dangerous merchandise.

I have had to do this a couple of times, when I have bought something from a deadbeat company.

louielouie

 

[SmileDocHill]

Did any of the boxes look like they had been dropped? Could they have been shipped, stored, or handled poorly causing them to get compressed? It doesn't change anything, I would still proceed with bringing it up with the manufacturer but I'm curious how they were packaged.
I've received a bag of loose .223 before that were banged up so bad they wobbled when you rolled them across the table.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...oading/43483-centurion_223_bullet_wobble.html